East Region Playoff Discussion

[pg04]

pg04 you always bring such a sense of rationale to the board +k

Well, maybe sometimes 

[ExTartanPlayer]

Last comment then dlip will let it go...maybe

The NEFC is as good a conference as the E8, LL, NJAC, and the MAC and is deserving of a pool C bid in regards to their relative strength in comparison to the aforementioned conferences.

True or false? ****in easy...time for a poll

Look, you're still misunderstanding my point. I have never said this, in fact several times I have stated IN THIS THREAD that this is not so. My vigorous defense of the NEFC stems from a comment by LewDogg that the sixth-best Empire 8 team would "run the table" in the NEFC despite ample evidence from 2012 results (not that lovely 2-16 record you guys keep bringing up, which includes a dozen results that would not overlap with a single current player on any roster) that the top 3-4 NEFC teams were certainly quite capable of playing with and beating respectable opponents. That is NOT equal to the statement you're now making in some childish effort to make me look like the one with his head stuck in the sand.

[bman]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad
Being a homer...of course I am calling for the WU win...
Being a realist means I have to agree with your assessment.   I am concerned with the triple option...it takes discipline to defend, and that is one thing this D has not really shown...They can make plays, but we'll see how they defend in their gaps and space...
I am still a bit concerned about the offense as well, which I feel will be the difference if WU were to lose...The first half of the BU game was nothing but mistakes and turnovers...if that stays the same, they lose...period, and it will be ugly....

Now for my gratuitous ugly uniform commentary...
I watched a bit of the Rowan/SU game on live stream...
When your unis are uglier than Rowan's...thats bad...
(I could hardly look at them)...In all my years, I have never seen a brown and gold seagull...wondering where those colors came from...

[pg04]

I'm going to go on record and say that I removed the poll that dlip (no offense to dlip meant) created (which for some reason we have the ability to do) for a couple reasons: 1) I don't think anyone will disagree with the premise and 2) It will just lead to more venomous vitriol (nice alliteration!) between the two sides.


...and it just takes up space when we could have a more relevant poll about the playoffs up, like who will win between Widener and Salisbury.

[wesleydad]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad
Being a homer...of course I am calling for the WU win...
Being a realist means I have to agree with your assessment.   I am concerned with the triple option...it takes discipline to defend, and that is one thing this D has not really shown...They can make plays, but we'll see how they defend in their gaps and space...
I am still a bit concerned about the offense as well, which I feel will be the difference if WU were to lose...The first half of the BU game was nothing but mistakes and turnovers...if that stays the same, they lose...period, and it will be ugly....

Now for my gratuitous ugly uniform commentary...
I watched a bit of the Rowan/SU game on live stream...
When your unis are uglier than Rowan's...thats bad...
(I could hardly look at them)...In all my years, I have never seen a brown and gold seagull...wondering where those colors came from...

bman, if the pride turn it over it will be ugly, well unless the gulls do the same thing.  your video must have been bad the gulls are red/maroon and gold, not bad looking actually.

[wesleydad]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad, I think the Widener-Salisbury matchup is one of the most intriguing. I like Widener, but I could see this going either way. Salisbury offense is tough to prepare for if you're not used to it.

I'm trying to recall - are you a longtime Wesley poster or a more recent addition? I was part of a CMU team that got steamrolled by Wesley in the second round of the 2006 playoffs, and while the game was obviously somewhat unpleasant, I still found the Wesley game day experience pretty cool. Great fans, good stadium as far as D3 venues go, and an intense atmosphere. Too bad we weren't good enough to make much of a game of it

etp, my son was the slot receiver in that game.  he played high school ball with your starting qb mulkern here in pa.  that was a pretty good squad you got rolled by.  wesley is a pretty nice place to play and watch a game.  the crowd does come out and they do get intense.  there only loss that year was to uww.

No kidding! If your son played with Mulkern you must be from close by my hometown as well - I grew up close to Reading, PA (played for Wyomissing HS). Very cool. That was indeed a good Wesley squad in 2006...hope your son is doing well!

we live outside of philly in media now.  he is doing well.

[Pat Coleman]

The E8, LL, and NJAC teams have to agree to play NEFC teams too. It's not just a one way street, as everyone seems to be making it. Why don't these teams go out of their way to schedule the NEFC? Help the OOC and play an easier team. Seems like a slam dunk doesn't it?

Yeah, just like the SEC should bang on the door of the MAC to beg for match-ups? It doesn't work that way and shouldn't work that way. dlip would be SHOCKED if he found out that the door is being slammed on the other 14 NEFC teams by E8, NJAC, LL, and MAC schools every year when it comes to scheduling. If that is/were the case then shame on any of those schools that wouldn't play an NEFC team.

Actually, yeah, Division I teams pay FCS schools and MAC schools to play them every year.

Yes, but that's in order to not return the game, right? We do have some guarantee games here but mostly we play home-and-homes.

[bman]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad
Being a homer...of course I am calling for the WU win...
Being a realist means I have to agree with your assessment.   I am concerned with the triple option...it takes discipline to defend, and that is one thing this D has not really shown...They can make plays, but we'll see how they defend in their gaps and space...
I am still a bit concerned about the offense as well, which I feel will be the difference if WU were to lose...The first half of the BU game was nothing but mistakes and turnovers...if that stays the same, they lose...period, and it will be ugly....

Now for my gratuitous ugly uniform commentary...
I watched a bit of the Rowan/SU game on live stream...
When your unis are uglier than Rowan's...thats bad...
(I could hardly look at them)...In all my years, I have never seen a brown and gold seagull...wondering where those colors came from...

bman, if the pride turn it over it will be ugly, well unless the gulls do the same thing.  your video must have been bad the gulls are red/maroon and gold, not bad looking actually.

They looked Brown on the stream, and not a good looking brown either...glad to hear...

[Pat Coleman]

I definitely see the argument of those I'm opposing here; a record of 2-16 in the playoffs is GLARING and the most significant point made.

And the margin of defeat was already noted, but in fact, it gets worse for NEFC teams. Here are some of the results of games where the NEFC played an opponent within a touchdown, followed by that opponent's game in the next round.

1999: Ursinus 43, Bridgewater State 38
Rowan 55, Ursinus 0
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Ursinus/1999/index

2001: Western Connecticut 8, Westfield State 7
Rowan 43, Western Connecticut 14
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Western_Connecticut/2001/index

In 2007 and 2008 Curry got the conference's two playoff wins, then got steamrolled the following week.

These are the only non-double-digits playoff losses for the NEFC before Framingham State lost to Cortland this past Saturday.

[SU Backer]

Obviously Widener is undefeated for a reason-they are a good football team...but that said SU is a good team as well and I feel a bit more battle tested as far as this year's schedule goes...I feel that is the difference and SU wins this one in a close game...in their snazzy away maroon, gold and white unis to boot!

and bman....I have yet to see a blue and white lion as well!

[bman]

Obviously Widener is undefeated for a reason-they are a good football team...but that said SU is a good team as well and I feel a bit more battle tested as far as this year's schedule goes...I feel that is the difference and SU wins this one in a close game...in their snazzy away maroon, gold and white unis to boot!

and bman....I have yet to see a blue and white lion as well!

Touche!

I never quite understood the change to the pride...I was partial to the Pioneers (a reference to military engineers)...
I do like the new unis though, and they are better than the old Columbia Blue and Gold...

Wesleydad, are you heading to Dover this weekend?
SU Backer, are you coming to Chester?

[dlippiel]

That is NOT equal to the statement you're now making in some childish effort to make me look like the one with his head stuck in the sand.

Classy move to call that childish, it was dlip's point all the way along and the point you continued to debate.You may view it as childish but to dlip it has been blatently obvious all along. If your debate was indeed based upon LD's statements then you sure strayed from that IDHO. Know that dlip was not trying to insult you in anyway and is annoyed that you felt the need to take it to that point. dlip will hold off from any insults and take the high road here. We can agree to disagree and it can rest at that. Honestly dlip likes debates like this and feels this is a valid topic for discussion (alhtough admittedly beaten to death here) because it seems to keep happening. Good talking with you ETP, +k for the discussion.

dlip thinks the poll should have stayed pg04, it sttod for dlip's point, an obvious one. dlip would never take down your poll...ha...ha...ha 

[pg04]

Sorry Dlip, I may have left it if we could put two polls up  , but I am interested to see what people think about this week's game. I think we do all get your point. 

[SU Backer]

Hi bman...I wish I could, but the wife agreed to a wedding invite for a friend's daughter...she said "I just looked at the regular schedule and forgot about the playoffs"...oh well, the wedding isn't until 3 so I should be able to watch the first half on the stream...a few years ago SU played Widener there and I went to the game...nice facility and some tailgating!...If my memory serves you guys used to fire a cannon after a TD?...or am I thinking of somewhere else?...either way I think this should a good game...and if I am right on that cannon I hope the guns are silent this weekend!

[bman]

Hi bman...I wish I could, but the wife agreed to a wedding invite for a friend's daughter...she said "I just looked at the regular schedule and forgot about the playoffs"...oh well, the wedding isn't until 3 so I should be able to watch the first half on the stream...a few years ago SU played Widener there and I went to the game...nice facility and some tailgating!...If my memory serves you guys used to fire a cannon after a TD?...or am I thinking of somewhere else?...either way I think this should a good game...and if I am right on that cannon I hope the guns are silent this weekend!

I understand completely...happens to me as well...I expected to go to the WU del Val game, which I was looking forward to all season...and ended up having to work.
We are planning the tailgate now...

You are correct, they do fire the cannon (Mostly) after every WU score...I'm expecting at least 6 shots fired...