East Region Playoff Discussion

[AUKaz00]

That's what we in the East call a "monkeystomp"

The WikiLLPPedia still exists!

TGP will take that bait.  Here's a few that come to mind right off the bat:

"Monkey-Stomp":  Defeating an opposing football team by 21 points or more.

"Double Monkey-Stomp":  42 pt victory

"Hot Like Pee":  Will let Gro definie this one

"Zing!":  Statement made to indicate a great insult/put-down (made in jest) towards another poster

"That's How I Roll":  Indication of how a poster comports oneself

"Shoeapalooza":  Annual Rivalry game between RPI and Union

"Cat Turd Bowl":  Annual game between RPI and Hobart (if played in late October or early November it becomes the "Frozen Cat Turd Bowl"

"Herbs":  Term used to describe nerds or others not agreement with a posters prognostications

"Ya Heard?":  Verifying that other posters understand your prior statement

"Bizaro-neers":  Nick name for the WPI Engineers

"Kinger or Stinger":  Nick name for RPI Head Coach Joe King

"HollaDawg":  A regular LLPP poster that has been AWOL for about 1-2 years and counting.   Where oh where has my HollaDawg gone?

[Upstate]

I was interested in the performance of the major conferences in the East in the Playoffs by opponent final D3.com rankings...records last five years:

            Conference                      MAC             LL            E8             NJAC         Wesley        All
                                                                                                                    (2011-14)
Top 10 Playoff Record(2011-15)      0 - 4            1- 5          0- 6            0-5            3-4         4- 24

Top 11-25                                     3 - 2            1-0           5- 0            1- 1          4-0          14-3

Got some poll votes                       0 - 0            2- 0          1- 0            1- 0          1- 0           4-0

Unranked(No votes)                       3- 0            1- 0          1- 0             3- 0          2- 0          10-0

Total                                             6- 6             5- 5          7- 6             5- 6          10-4         33-27

AVG Pts Loss  (Final Thumping)        35                25.6         18.2             26            -

I really did this to see how the conferences performed in the playoffs , plus I am feeling the LL gets downgraded a bit
and I wanted to see if the results warranted it. Before Wesley joined the NJAC, I would have said the E8 had slightly better results followed by the LL, MAC and NJAC, but all very close. Now with Wesley in the NJAC(if Wesley performs at Historic levels) they should be the better performing conference.
Essentially, without Wesley, only Hobart had a Playoff win against a top 10 opponent(John's Hopkins only #10 in final poll), but the region held serve pretty well below the top 10 over the last 5 years(MAC had two losses and NJAC one in the 11-25 opponent ranking). For what it's worth.........

And if you go by final regular season poll the E8 jumps ahead with Fisher's two road wins vs #9 John Carroll and #8 Hobart...

That #10 Hopkins squad that you're referencing beat a 7-3 Rowan team (that had the 3rd best overall record in the NJAC) by a whopping 8 points...

And two years earlier a 13th ranked 10-0 Hopkins squad was taken out in the first round by a 3rd string QB and a defense that picked off the Hopkins QB I believe 5 times...

[dlippiel]

Dlip has feels JHU is consistently overrated.

[boobyhasgameyo]

I said the same thing earlier this season about Johnny Hops.  That they are consistently overrated in part because they play in an easy conference where they are not challenged.  But in thinking on it further I would say the dropoff from serious title contenders to just very good teams probably happens around the 8th spot or so in the rankings...so I guess JHU would be as good as any to have as a team that rounds out the top 10.  All of the teams in that 10-20 range are a lot closer in talent than the gap from let's say the gap from the #5 ranked team to #10. 

In general that is.  Of course on any given year there can be exceptions. 

[Upstate]

Dlip has feels JHU is consistently overrated.

Agreed...

They're a top 15-20 program but because of attrition and being in a conference that isn't so competitive as other top conferences they keep rising into the top 10...

You would add a yearly regular season loss and a rankings drop if they were in a top conference...

[Bartman]

I was interested in the performance of the major conferences in the East in the Playoffs by opponent final D3.com rankings...records last five years(**revised after I missed Salisbury as part of E8 in 2011 Playoffs):

            Conference                      MAC             LL            E8             NJAC         Wesley        All
                                                                                                                    (2011-14)
Top 10 Playoff Record(2011-15)      0 - 4            1- 5          1- 7            0-5            3-4          5- 25

Top 11-25                                     3 - 2            1-0           5- 0            1- 0          4-0           14-3

Got some poll votes                       0 - 0            2- 0          1- 0            1- 0          1- 0            4-0

Unranked(No votes)                       3- 0            1- 0          2- 0             3- 0          2- 0          11-0

Total                                             6- 6             5- 5          9- 7             5- 5          10-4        35-28

AVG Pts Loss  (Final Thumping)        35                25.6       18.8             26            -

I really did this to see how the conferences performed in the playoffs , plus I am feeling the LL gets downgraded a bit
and I wanted to see if the results warranted it. The E8 has the best record(only conference over .500) followed by the LL, MAC and NJAC. Now with Wesley in the NJAC(if Wesley performs at Historic levels) they should be the better performing conference.
Essentially, without Wesley, only Hobart and Salisbury had Playoff wins against a top 10 opponent(Bart beat John's Hopkins only #10 in final 2014 poll and Salisbury beat Kean, also #10 in 2011 ), but the region held serve pretty well below the top 10 over the last 5 years(MAC had two losses and NJAC one in the 11-25 opponent ranking). For teams that flowed from the E8 to the NJAC(Cortland , Salisbury) I counted their performance in the conference at the time.  For what it's worth.........

I had to revise this based on the flow of E8 and NJAC teams between conferences. I also missed Salisbury's run as part of E8 in 2011...it doesn't really change the conclusion that E8 has been the strongest performer(includes Salisbury of 2011, but NJAC includes a Cortland run in 2012), with NJAC looking good in the future with Wesley. The LL and MAC look pretty similar based on this 5 year window.

[Bartman]

Big changes on the RR board this week after Hobart wins by 16(what no last minute win?), Wesley dominates Salisbury and The Steve is beaten by Wilkes(?). Congrats to Alfred for remaining undefeated before the big clash with Fisher next week.

[pg04]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

[wesleydad]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

[pg04]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

That may be a biased suggestion  . Alas, Wesley may well be best but the analytics of ranking will favor Alfred should they win next week.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

As of November, that may well be true.  But by the selection/seeding criteria, Wesley will be very lucky to get even one home game in the playoffs.

[D3MAFAN]

Had to calm down a bit after a very heartbreaking loss in Framingham. Bridgewater will most likely go to play Husson 1st round. It was tough to watch football after that, I sat and watch two other games closely, the Wesley vs. Salisbury and WNE and Salve. I was very impressed with both Wesley and WNE. Wesley is a very explosive team offensively, they ran and passed, keep Salisbury on their heels all day. I though early on that it was going to be a shoot out, but after that hit on one of Salisbury star running backs along with the fumble and injury to the other, Wesley seized control and never looked back. Regarding WNE, WNE got out to a big lead, but let Salve back in late, but then after some questionable calls and coaching calls (too aggressive), WNE was able to settle down again and finish the game, WNE defense really controlled the passing lanes and never let Salve QB settle and hit his targets down field. Saw the end of the Hobart vs. St. Lawrence game, thought that St. Lawrence was going to pull it out after gaining momentum after the safety, but Hobart remained poised and finish the game. Alfred looked balance against Utica and played good 3rd down defense, I though they were going to pull away late, but Utica kept it close not really giving up. As far as #1 team in the East, I would say it is a toss up between Wesley and Alfred, but I will give the nod to Alfred as they are an undefeated E 8 team that is well balance and has a respectable D. I think other teams are either very good offensively and okay defensively or vice versa. Interested to see how the RR will look.

[wesleydad]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

As of November, that may well be true.  But by the selection/seeding criteria, Wesley will be very lucky to get even one home game in the playoffs.

Wrong.

[wally_wabash]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

As of November, that may well be true.  But by the selection/seeding criteria, Wesley will be very lucky to get even one home game in the playoffs.

Wrong.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.  What's the criteria-based rationale for Wesley being #1 in the East region?

[wesleydad]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

As of November, that may well be true.  But by the selection/seeding criteria, Wesley will be very lucky to get even one home game in the playoffs.

Wrong.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.  What's the criteria-based rationale for Wesley being #1 in the East region?

Wally, no criteria.  just what I have seen and I have seen more than anyone else.  Will they be number 1? No.  Are they the best team in the East in my opinion yes.  I won't even vote them # 1 in the ERFP, but 2 is easy.  Have to respect Alfred still being undefeated.  After the top 5 or 6 in the nation, you don't want to play this team.  Again, my opinion and I am usually conservative on Wesley as far as top level play.