East Region Playoff Discussion

[boobyhasgameyo]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

As of November, that may well be true.  But by the selection/seeding criteria, Wesley will be very lucky to get even one home game in the playoffs.

Wrong.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.  What's the criteria-based rationale for Wesley being #1 in the East region?

Wally, no criteria.  just what I have seen and I have seen more than anyone else.  Will they be number 1? No.  Are they the best team in the East in my opinion yes.  I won't even vote them # 1 in the ERFP, but 2 is easy.  Have to respect Alfred still being undefeated.  After the top 5 or 6 in the nation, you don't want to play this team.  Again, my opinion and I am usually conservative on Wesley as far as top level play.

Unless of course you are Delaware Valley or CNU.  Rowan also gave Wesley a run for their money. Wesley, like the rest of the region outside of Alfred to this point, have done nothing to distinguish themselves as a clear #1 team. 

[wesleydad]

Neither team beats Wesley now.  Alfred is the clear #1 on paper.  not sure on the field 

[wally_wabash]

The status of the East region is:

*dumpster fire gif*



How does Stevenson lose that game of all games?

Alfred needs to win their game next week to leave no doubt who is #1 in the region and save themselves from Pool C Hell with the rest of the 1 and 2 loss east teams.

Number 1 team in east is Wesley. 😃

As of November, that may well be true.  But by the selection/seeding criteria, Wesley will be very lucky to get even one home game in the playoffs.

Wrong.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.  What's the criteria-based rationale for Wesley being #1 in the East region?

Wally, no criteria.  just what I have seen and I have seen more than anyone else.  Will they be number 1? No.  Are they the best team in the East in my opinion yes.  I won't even vote them # 1 in the ERFP, but 2 is easy.  Have to respect Alfred still being undefeated.  After the top 5 or 6 in the nation, you don't want to play this team.  Again, my opinion and I am usually conservative on Wesley as far as top level play.

Got it.  Seemed like you were saying Wesley should be #1 in the regional rankings.  Best team and #1 team in the rankings don't necessarily have to be the same thing. 

[wesleydad]

Wally, no with 2 loses they have no chance to be #1 in the RR with Alfred being undefeated.  After that though, it will be intersting to see since some lost ahead of them.  In the end it does not matter since Wesley will win the NJAC and with the AQ will likely have a home game in whatever bracket they are in.  The east bracket with Husson in it will be easy pickings for someone in that half of the bracket since I believe only WNEW is within 500 miles of Husson. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

Neither team beats Wesley now.  Alfred is the clear #1 on paper.  not sure on the field

Perhaps I should elaborate a little more clearly.  Alfred is the only team that has done something that they can make a legitimate claim as for being the #1 team in remaining undefeated.  On the field, obviously nobody knows.  I just think it's foolish to say that a team who lost twice and barely beat a 5-4 team is the best.  They haven't done anything to distinguish themselves.  And saying that Wesley would win those games now...because you say so?  Sure, they might.  But they also might not.  Wesley isn't infallible. 

[wally_wabash]

Wally, no with 2 loses they have no chance to be #1 in the RR with Alfred being undefeated.  After that though, it will be intersting to see since some lost ahead of them.  In the end it does not matter since Wesley will win the NJAC and with the AQ will likely have a home game in whatever bracket they are in.  The east bracket with Husson in it will be easy pickings for someone in that half of the bracket since I believe only WNEW is within 500 miles of Husson. 

It is possible that Wesley could host a game, but I don't think I'd go as far as to say that it is likely.  2-loss teams hosting playoff games is a rare thing.  Rare enough that now I'm curious and I'm going to track down some numbers on that. 

We also don't know that Wesley will be in a quadrant with Husson/WNE, but if they are that's bad news for Wesley getting to a host a game.  One of those two teams has to host, and neither probably would were it not for the geography-forced matchup.  That means somebody that would host a first round won't get to. 

[wesleydad]

Neither team beats Wesley now.  Alfred is the clear #1 on paper.  not sure on the field

Perhaps I should elaborate a little more clearly.  Alfred is the only team that has done something that they can make a legitimate claim as for being the #1 team in remaining undefeated.  On the field, obviously nobody knows.  I just think it's foolish to say that a team who lost twice and barely beat a 5-4 team is the best.  They haven't done anything to distinguish themselves.  And saying that Wesley would win those games now...because you say so?  Sure, they might.  But they also might not.  Wesley isn't infallible.

since I clearly stated in my opinion it is what I think.  Since i have seen all of the games I clearly have the best idea as to what may occur.  Alfred is #1 since they are undefeated, easy for me on paper.  As far as if they played Wesley, I would take Wesley 9 out of 10 games.  I am rather objective as far as how things go.  My moniker comes from the fact that my son played for Wesley, now 8+ years ago.  I follow them, but will rip them with the best of them when they are not playing well, which I did when they lost Del Val and CNU.  I look at things from a national perspective as to who can win the title and go from there.  No one that I have seen play this year, live or on the computer, in the east can win the national title.  The best team I have seen to this point is Wesley and I dont think they can beat anyone in the top 10.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Yeah you always say you are unbiased but I think you're a little blind to your Wesley bias.  Great, you're hard on them when they lose.  You always hop right back on with a tone of arrogance as soon as they string together a few wins.  Your bias is showing this very moment.  You think they hit this amazing gear that nobody else in the East is at...I will again point out that 2 weeks ago they barely beat a .500 team.  They are not separating themselves from the pack. 

[wally_wabash]

Ok, so going back to 2011, here's the list of 2-loss teams that hosted first round tournament games:

2011:
Delaware Valley
Alfred (hosted a 10-0 SUNY-Maritime team...I feel like I remember there being a paperwork problem or a facility problem with them?  Unconfirmed at this point.)

2012:
Salisbury

2013:
Ithaca
Rowan (paired with the UMHB game)
Hampden-Sydney (paired with the NWC game)
Franklin (one loss to FCS Butler, but Franklin actually finished 7-3 this season...this was a weird choice)

2014:
None

2015:
Cortland (paired with the NWC game)
Franklin (again, one loss to FCS Butler)

So multiple loss teams hosting first round games actually happens more than I thought initially, but still pretty rare.  And in those rare instances, it usually happens with a weird geographic matchup with the Texas/West coast sub brackets. 

Mock bracketing this week and next should be fun exercises and shed some light on how likely it is that Wesley and some other teams in similar situations could host a game or two. 

[wesleydad]

Ok, so going back to 2011, here's the list of 2-loss teams that hosted first round tournament games:

2011:
Delaware Valley
Alfred (hosted a 10-0 SUNY-Maritime team...I feel like I remember there being a paperwork problem or a facility problem with them?  Unconfirmed at this point.)

2012:
Salisbury

2013:
Ithaca
Rowan (paired with the UMHB game)
Hampden-Sydney (paired with the NWC game)
Franklin (one loss to FCS Butler, but Franklin actually finished 7-3 this season...this was a weird choice)

2014:
None

2015:
Cortland (paired with the NWC game)
Franklin (again, one loss to FCS Butler)

So multiple loss teams hosting first round games actually happens more than I thought initially, but still pretty rare.  And in those rare instances, it usually happens with a weird geographic matchup with the Texas/West coast sub brackets. 

Mock bracketing this week and next should be fun exercises and shed some light on how likely it is that Wesley and some other teams in similar situations could host a game or two.

Thanks Wally.  This is going to be a pretty interesting season to say the least.  I think the playoffs are going to be a lot of fun with some really good first round games.

[wesleydad]

Yeah you always say you are unbiased but I think you're a little blind to your Wesley bias.  Great, you're hard on them when they lose.  You always hop right back on with a tone of arrogance as soon as they string together a few wins.  Your bias is showing this very moment.  You think they hit this amazing gear that nobody else in the East is at...I will again point out that 2 weeks ago they barely beat a .500 team.  They are not separating themselves from the pack.

Not sure where I ever said they were separating themselves from the pack, just that I think they have moved to the front of the pack in what is turning out to be a very interesting east region.  Hopefully the brackets will allow many of these teams to play each other so that we can see how it plays out as opposed to moving the pieces all around and only a game or 2 gets played.  This would be a really fun region if the top teams were in a bracket.  The winner would have to be playing well to win 3 games.

[Bartman]

Neither team beats Wesley now.  Alfred is the clear #1 on paper.  not sure on the field

All right ....that sounds like a good old fashioned challenge.....the Saxonites should feel the slap of the glove on the cheek as they are accused of being paper # Ones......I love it....I think we can get some good trash talk back on the boards....things have been boring...so Fisher , if you beat Alfred, don't feel  that good because you are only beating paper Ones.....Wesleydad is well respected on the boards , for sure, but  methinks you are rallying the competitors ......Speaking for StatesmenNation, we would love to have another playoff crack at the wild beast and engineer a shocking last second win 

[AUKaz00]

Alfred (hosted a 10-0 SUNY-Maritime team...I feel like I remember there being a paperwork problem or a facility problem with them?  Unconfirmed at this point.)

[wesleydad]

Neither team beats Wesley now.  Alfred is the clear #1 on paper.  not sure on the field

All right ....that sounds like a good old fashioned challenge.....the Saxonites should feel the slap of the glove on the cheek as they are accused of being paper # Ones......I love it....I think we can get some good trash talk back on the boards....things have been boring...so Fisher , if you beat Alfred, don't feel  that good because you are only beating paper Ones.....Wesleydad is well respected on the boards , for sure, but  methinks you are rallying the competitors ......Speaking for StatesmenNation, we would love to have another playoff crack at the wild beast and engineer a shocking last second win 

Bartman, congrats on the impressive win yesterday.  Made me put Hobart back on my list.  The way things are playing out in the east, who knows who ends up playing who.  If Fisher beats Alfred they will have beaten a very good team and likely get my vote as the #1 in the East.  There is as good a chance as not that Hobart and Wesley could end up meeting in round 1.  I just hope it isn't a 4-5 game and the winner goes to Mount if that is who the #1 is in our bracket.   Next weeks game results will go a long way into how round 1 looks.  Next Sunday will be a fun day waiting for the brackets to come out.

[Bartman]

Neither team beats Wesley now.  Alfred is the clear #1 on paper.  not sure on the field

All right ....that sounds like a good old fashioned challenge.....the Saxonites should feel the slap of the glove on the cheek as they are accused of being paper # Ones......I love it....I think we can get some good trash talk back on the boards....things have been boring...so Fisher , if you beat Alfred, don't feel  that good because you are only beating paper Ones.....Wesleydad is well respected on the boards , for sure, but  methinks you are rallying the competitors ......Speaking for StatesmenNation, we would love to have another playoff crack at the wild beast and engineer a shocking last second win 

Bartman, congrats on the impressive win yesterday.  Made me put Hobart back on my list.  The way things are playing out in the east, who knows who ends up playing who.  If Fisher beats Alfred they will have beaten a very good team and likely get my vote as the #1 in the East.  There is as good a chance as not that Hobart and Wesley could end up meeting in round 1.  I just hope it isn't a 4-5 game and the winner goes to Mount if that is who the #1 is in our bracket.   Next weeks game results will go a long way into how round 1 looks.  Next Sunday will be a fun day waiting for the brackets to come out.

I am thinking Hobart will move up to #3 this week with the carnage above and I will be rooting for the Saxons to beat Fisher so we can move to #2 on the secret end of season rankings , IF the boys do their job against the Yellow Jackets next week........BTW, beware of Willy P I understand they are inspired by the Wilkes win and will be secretly removing all the Wolverines cleats You still need to hear the Rotund Alto sing