East Region Playoff Discussion

[labart96]

Frank -

What about the Mules being moved into the East?

K-Mack -- take a look at the South Region--Centennial Conference Post. Possible Muhlenberg to the East as a number 1
Thoughts??

I could definitely see Muhlenberg being moved to the East if necessary, and since Pat projected TCNJ as the No. 1 there and the Mules beat them 15-0, I could see it.

The Texas matchup wouldn't be as tidy, with 5 going to 3 or 4 going to 3, depending on where Salisbury fits, but ... why not? As far as teams to move go Muhlenberg is a good fit in the East. They have been moved there before, hosting UMass-Dartmouth in 2002, the same year John Carroll was also in that bracket, and in '04 they went to St. John Fisher.

Both times they were a six seed though. The committees have seemed more likely to move lower-seeded teams out of their home regions, however, remember, nowhere does it say these must be East/South/North/West brackets ... teams can be grouped for geographic proximity no matter their home region.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank -

What about the Mules being moved into the East?

K-Mack -- take a look at the South Region--Centennial Conference Post. Possible Muhlenberg to the East as a number 1
Thoughts??

I could definitely see Muhlenberg being moved to the East if necessary, and since Pat projected TCNJ as the No. 1 there and the Mules beat them 15-0, I could see it.

The Texas matchup wouldn't be as tidy, with 5 going to 3 or 4 going to 3, depending on where Salisbury fits, but ... why not? As far as teams to move go Muhlenberg is a good fit in the East. They have been moved there before, hosting UMass-Dartmouth in 2002, the same year John Carroll was also in that bracket, and in '04 they went to St. John Fisher.

Both times they were a six seed though. The committees have seemed more likely to move lower-seeded teams out of their home regions, however, remember, nowhere does it say these must be East/South/North/West brackets ... teams can be grouped for geographic proximity no matter their home region.

Still think the NCAA will favor Salisbury based on the fact that they play so many games against East teams already.  It makes general geographical, ranking and logistical sense (a.k.a., "It's SCIENCE.")    But seriously, I think the Mules stay in their region, although I hear your argument here...I just feel like the Mules at 10-0 have earned the right to stay in their region.  Moving regional teams should be reserved for teams that are mid-pack in their region.

[rams1102]

Frank -

What about the Mules being moved into the East?

K-Mack -- take a look at the South Region--Centennial Conference Post. Possible Muhlenberg to the East as a number 1
Thoughts??

I could definitely see Muhlenberg being moved to the East if necessary, and since Pat projected TCNJ as the No. 1 there and the Mules beat them 15-0, I could see it.

The Texas matchup wouldn't be as tidy, with 5 going to 3 or 4 going to 3, depending on where Salisbury fits, but ... why not? As far as teams to move go Muhlenberg is a good fit in the East. They have been moved there before, hosting UMass-Dartmouth in 2002, the same year John Carroll was also in that bracket, and in '04 they went to St. John Fisher.

Both times they were a six seed though. The committees have seemed more likely to move lower-seeded teams out of their home regions, however, remember, nowhere does it say these must be East/South/North/West brackets ... teams can be grouped for geographic proximity no matter their home region.

Still think the NCAA will favor Salisbury based on the fact that they play so many games against East teams already.  It makes general geographical, ranking and logistical sense (a.k.a., "It's SCIENCE.")    But seriously, I think the Mules stay in their region, although I hear your argument here...I just feel like the Mules at 10-0 have earned the right to stay in their region.  Moving regional teams should be reserved for teams that are mid-pack in their region.

I think Wesley plays almost the same amount of East teams. If the NCAA puts Wesley in the East, the rest of the teams in the bracket will find out what Wesley is about.

[gobombers15]

Frank -

What about the Mules being moved into the East?

K-Mack -- take a look at the South Region--Centennial Conference Post. Possible Muhlenberg to the East as a number 1
Thoughts??

I could definitely see Muhlenberg being moved to the East if necessary, and since Pat projected TCNJ as the No. 1 there and the Mules beat them 15-0, I could see it.

The Texas matchup wouldn't be as tidy, with 5 going to 3 or 4 going to 3, depending on where Salisbury fits, but ... why not? As far as teams to move go Muhlenberg is a good fit in the East. They have been moved there before, hosting UMass-Dartmouth in 2002, the same year John Carroll was also in that bracket, and in '04 they went to St. John Fisher.

Both times they were a six seed though. The committees have seemed more likely to move lower-seeded teams out of their home regions, however, remember, nowhere does it say these must be East/South/North/West brackets ... teams can be grouped for geographic proximity no matter their home region.

Still think the NCAA will favor Salisbury based on the fact that they play so many games against East teams already.  It makes general geographical, ranking and logistical sense (a.k.a., "It's SCIENCE.")    But seriously, I think the Mules stay in their region, although I hear your argument here...I just feel like the Mules at 10-0 have earned the right to stay in their region.  Moving regional teams should be reserved for teams that are mid-pack in their region.

I think Wesley plays almost the same amount of East teams. If the NCAA puts Wesley in the East, the rest of the teams in the bracket will find out what Wesley is about.

Unless they play in the rain, in which case they will lose by 50 and blame it on the weather (See B'port game from a couple years ago).

[@d3jason]

Gets your facts straight, Brockport kicked their ass that day. They didn't blame that loss on the rain. It was the Whitewater game in the semifinals in '05 that they blamed on poor footing. 

[Jonny Utah]

They're not going to move Wesley, a #1-seed that would cause constant travel issues in the East.  They will move Salisbury, who would be forced to travel and host at different points, and who would be just as good a fit in these circumstances.  Here is my best guess, posted to the LL and E8 (with Regional W-L):

1) St. John Fisher (9-1)
2) Curry (11-0)
3) RPI (8-1)
4) Salisbury (5-1)
5) Widener (8-2)
6) New Jersey (8-2)
7) Hartwick (8-2)
8 ) Hobart (8-2)

I hate placing Hobart as an 8-seed, but there are some first- and second-round travel implications that could be pretty ugly.  However, you can't drop TCNJ to #8 with their loss -- that would have made the second-round travel issues slightly easier to deal with after the Salisbury/Widener game.  This also avoids a potential second-round rematch between Hobart/RPI.  I think Fisher jumps Curry based on Fisher's quality win today and their Strength of Schedule being considered much higher than that of Curry.  There's one thing that's certain -- this is a tough bracket to seed based on the travel and rematch issues.

Although I hope neither Wesley nor Salsbury get into the east bracket, how would Salsbury be less of a travel issue than Wesley?  And why would it matter to Wesley if they were moved to the East?  They would have all home games anyway right?

[Frank Rossi]

They're not going to move Wesley, a #1-seed that would cause constant travel issues in the East.  They will move Salisbury, who would be forced to travel and host at different points, and who would be just as good a fit in these circumstances.  Here is my best guess, posted to the LL and E8 (with Regional W-L):

1) St. John Fisher (9-1)
2) Curry (11-0)
3) RPI (8-1)
4) Salisbury (5-1)
5) Widener (8-2)
6) New Jersey (8-2)
7) Hartwick (8-2)
8 ) Hobart (8-2)

I hate placing Hobart as an 8-seed, but there are some first- and second-round travel implications that could be pretty ugly.  However, you can't drop TCNJ to #8 with their loss -- that would have made the second-round travel issues slightly easier to deal with after the Salisbury/Widener game.  This also avoids a potential second-round rematch between Hobart/RPI.  I think Fisher jumps Curry based on Fisher's quality win today and their Strength of Schedule being considered much higher than that of Curry.  There's one thing that's certain -- this is a tough bracket to seed based on the travel and rematch issues.

Although I hope neither Wesley nor Salsbury get into the east bracket, how would Salsbury be less of a travel issue than Wesley?  And why would it matter to Wesley if they were moved to the East?  They would have all home games anyway right?

Wesley is more of a travel issue because you're placing a team expected to win all its games into a region in which it doesn't belong.  So, you're virtually guaranteed to be creating travel issues for two games in that region -- and that is unfair to the region in which they're placed, as well.  In addition, Salisbury would be required to travel as a 4- or 5-seed, assuming they win, for at least one game -- barring the elimination of the top three teams early.  Thus, they would share the travel responsibilities with the teams in the region to which they're moved.  The point is that you don't want to enhance home-field advantage any more than it is a benefit by forcing all teams in a region to have to travel hundreds of miles when you can avoid it by leaving the team in their designated region.

[Jonny Utah]

They're not going to move Wesley, a #1-seed that would cause constant travel issues in the East.  They will move Salisbury, who would be forced to travel and host at different points, and who would be just as good a fit in these circumstances.  Here is my best guess, posted to the LL and E8 (with Regional W-L):

1) St. John Fisher (9-1)
2) Curry (11-0)
3) RPI (8-1)
4) Salisbury (5-1)
5) Widener (8-2)
6) New Jersey (8-2)
7) Hartwick (8-2)
8 ) Hobart (8-2)

I hate placing Hobart as an 8-seed, but there are some first- and second-round travel implications that could be pretty ugly.  However, you can't drop TCNJ to #8 with their loss -- that would have made the second-round travel issues slightly easier to deal with after the Salisbury/Widener game.  This also avoids a potential second-round rematch between Hobart/RPI.  I think Fisher jumps Curry based on Fisher's quality win today and their Strength of Schedule being considered much higher than that of Curry.  There's one thing that's certain -- this is a tough bracket to seed based on the travel and rematch issues.

Although I hope neither Wesley nor Salsbury get into the east bracket, how would Salsbury be less of a travel issue than Wesley?  And why would it matter to Wesley if they were moved to the East?  They would have all home games anyway right?

Wesley is more of a travel issue because you're placing a team expected to win all its games into a region in which it doesn't belong.  So, you're virtually guaranteed to be creating travel issues for two games in that region -- and that is unfair to the region in which they're placed, as well.  In addition, Salisbury would be required to travel as a 4- or 5-seed, assuming they win, for at least one game -- barring the elimination of the top three teams early.  Thus, they would share the travel responsibilities with the teams in the region to which they're moved.  The point is that you don't want to enhance home-field advantage any more than it is a benefit by forcing all teams in a region to have to travel hundreds of miles when you can avoid it by leaving the team in their designated region.

Oh ok.  Better chance of 3 teams having to travel to Wesley than Salsbury winning 3 games.  But then again, the travel in the south for those teams would be the same probably right?

[mandfense]

Well, I have my pick for the East Region winner.  So nice of the NCAA to move Mount Union to the East.  Yikes!

[JT]

Well, I have my pick for the East Region winner.  So nice of the NCAA to move Mount Union to the East.  Yikes!

Its all over but the crying.  Wow!

[gobombers]

It's nice to be in................

That said, you still need to play the games.

I would have preferred travelling to Curry though. 

[Jonny Utah]

They're not going to move Wesley, a #1-seed that would cause constant travel issues in the East.  They will move Salisbury, who would be forced to travel and host at different points, and who would be just as good a fit in these circumstances.  Here is my best guess, posted to the LL and E8 (with Regional W-L):

1) St. John Fisher (9-1)
2) Curry (11-0)
3) RPI (8-1)
4) Salisbury (5-1)
5) Widener (8-2)
6) New Jersey (8-2)
7) Hartwick (8-2)
8 ) Hobart (8-2)

I hate placing Hobart as an 8-seed, but there are some first- and second-round travel implications that could be pretty ugly.  However, you can't drop TCNJ to #8 with their loss -- that would have made the second-round travel issues slightly easier to deal with after the Salisbury/Widener game.  This also avoids a potential second-round rematch between Hobart/RPI.  I think Fisher jumps Curry based on Fisher's quality win today and their Strength of Schedule being considered much higher than that of Curry.  There's one thing that's certain -- this is a tough bracket to seed based on the travel and rematch issues.

Although I hope neither Wesley nor Salsbury get into the east bracket, how would Salsbury be less of a travel issue than Wesley?  And why would it matter to Wesley if they were moved to the East?  They would have all home games anyway right?

Wesley is more of a travel issue because you're placing a team expected to win all its games into a region in which it doesn't belong.  So, you're virtually guaranteed to be creating travel issues for two games in that region -- and that is unfair to the region in which they're placed, as well.  In addition, Salisbury would be required to travel as a 4- or 5-seed, assuming they win, for at least one game -- barring the elimination of the top three teams early.  Thus, they would share the travel responsibilities with the teams in the region to which they're moved.  The point is that you don't want to enhance home-field advantage any more than it is a benefit by forcing all teams in a region to have to travel hundreds of miles when you can avoid it by leaving the team in their designated region.

Oh ok.  Better chance of 3 teams having to travel to Wesley than Salsbury winning 3 games.  But then again, the travel in the south for those teams would be the same probably right?

Looks like the NCAA doesnt care about the travel....

[Jonny Utah]

It's nice to be in................

That said, you still need to play the games.

I would have preferred travelling to Curry though. 

Curry would have been perfect.  Dam.

[JT]

I guess they want some fresh blood to win the North. Not very fair to the East.

[Bill McCabe]

Does anyone have a clue why Mount Union was placed in the east?