East Region Playoff Discussion

[dewcrew88]

It's pie-in-the-sky to think there's going to be a 2nd round IC/Cortland matchup. I think the committee will give Cortland the #4 seed the Dragons, in the event they can win their playoff opener, will be fed to MUC in the 2nd round. Cortland's "numbers" are better than Hobart's, but the Law of Recency (recent losses hurt more) will hurt the Red Dragons.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it and I'm sure the NCAA wouldn't mind having a 2nd round game draw 8,000-10,000 people. Can you imagine that? Drinking that heavily for the 2nd time in 14 days? Wow. I'd make the trip up from B-more for that one, no doubt.

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I like the term "fed", gb.

[HScoach]

Husson/MUC would be gridiron hilarity.

Has MUC been tested at all this year?  Is SJF truly their closest game?

The only real test in the regular season was Week 9 at Otterbein.  Mid-way thru the 2nd quarter, it was only 21-13 Mount before they scored twice in the final few minutes to blow it open 35-13 at the half.  Game ended up 49-20.

This Mount team is very good at the skill positions on offense with Micheli, Kmic and Cecil Shorts taking over for Garcon, but the O-line was pretty average to start the season and has really been hurt by injuries.  A team with a strong D-line will give Mount fits.

Defensively, they're a little smaller than last year, but faster. 

[Senor RedTackle]

A) no one gives MUC "fits" until the finals

B) dew...didn't know u were in B'more. Rt had 2 tix for nd/navy today he ate b/c he didn't know anyone to use them last minute

[Jonny Utah]

Im saying we should have known it was coming.

As far as what we should have done, it was obvious to everyone in the stadium but either our head coach or our O-Cooridnator.

Run. The. Football.

State, having seen the Bombers a lot these past 20 years, let me tell you this: Those were the 2nd and 3rd screens I've seen from Ithaca this season. I'm not exaggerating. They ran one against I believe Frostburg, but that's it. They really don't run screens at all.

I will say that Weverburgh's ability to find soft spots in the zone in unparalleld. That's why he was a preseason All-American. Great TE's are tough to cover. He's too big for a DB, but too fast for a lot of LB's

That makes me laugh.  My years we had some great offensive teams but no screen passes.  Thinking back Im not sure why.  Funny.

You need the right backs for it...Donovan wasn't much of a pass-catcher, neither was Baez. Caleb C-G and Celebre just weren;t that good in open space. Neither was Giorgio. Dave Maddi was the kind of guy you'd like to get out there. He caught 10 passes in a playoff win over RPI

I dunno.  I think any d3 RB should be able to catch a screen pass....

[Bombers798891]

Im saying we should have known it was coming.

As far as what we should have done, it was obvious to everyone in the stadium but either our head coach or our O-Cooridnator.

Run. The. Football.

State, having seen the Bombers a lot these past 20 years, let me tell you this: Those were the 2nd and 3rd screens I've seen from Ithaca this season. I'm not exaggerating. They ran one against I believe Frostburg, but that's it. They really don't run screens at all.

I will say that Weverburgh's ability to find soft spots in the zone in unparalleld. That's why he was a preseason All-American. Great TE's are tough to cover. He's too big for a DB, but too fast for a lot of LB's

That makes me laugh.  My years we had some great offensive teams but no screen passes.  Thinking back Im not sure why.  Funny.

You need the right backs for it...Donovan wasn't much of a pass-catcher, neither was Baez. Caleb C-G and Celebre just weren;t that good in open space. Neither was Giorgio. Dave Maddi was the kind of guy you'd like to get out there. He caught 10 passes in a playoff win over RPI

I dunno.  I think any d3 RB should be able to catch a screen pass....

It's not so much the catch, but what you do with it after. The ability to make guys miss, make moves in the open field, that kind of thing. Look at the Ruggerio TD. Jamie Donovan was the man, but he's not taking a pass like that to the end zone

[Jonny Utah]

Im saying we should have known it was coming.

As far as what we should have done, it was obvious to everyone in the stadium but either our head coach or our O-Cooridnator.

Run. The. Football.

State, having seen the Bombers a lot these past 20 years, let me tell you this: Those were the 2nd and 3rd screens I've seen from Ithaca this season. I'm not exaggerating. They ran one against I believe Frostburg, but that's it. They really don't run screens at all.

I will say that Weverburgh's ability to find soft spots in the zone in unparalleld. That's why he was a preseason All-American. Great TE's are tough to cover. He's too big for a DB, but too fast for a lot of LB's

That makes me laugh.  My years we had some great offensive teams but no screen passes.  Thinking back Im not sure why.  Funny.

You need the right backs for it...Donovan wasn't much of a pass-catcher, neither was Baez. Caleb C-G and Celebre just weren;t that good in open space. Neither was Giorgio. Dave Maddi was the kind of guy you'd like to get out there. He caught 10 passes in a playoff win over RPI

I dunno.  I think any d3 RB should be able to catch a screen pass....

It's not so much the catch, but what you do with it after. The ability to make guys miss, make moves in the open field, that kind of thing. Look at the Ruggerio TD. Jamie Donovan was the man, but he's not taking a pass like that to the end zone

I didnt see that play.  But my whole point is that the play itself is such a weapon that I was suprised we never even had it when I played.  If its run the right way, even your 5.0/40 yd. fullback should be able to pick up 15-30 yards on the play.

[labart96]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

[SJFF82]

Husson/MUC would be gridiron hilarity.

Has MUC been tested at all this year?  Is SJF truly their closest game?

The only real test in the regular season was Week 9 at Otterbein.  Mid-way thru the 2nd quarter, it was only 21-13 Mount before they scored twice in the final few minutes to blow it open 35-13 at the half.  Game ended up 49-20.

This Mount team is very good at the skill positions on offense with Micheli, Kmic and Cecil Shorts taking over for Garcon, but the O-line was pretty average to start the season and has really been hurt by injuries.  A team with a strong D-line will give Mount fits.

Defensively, they're a little smaller than last year, but faster. 

using that comparison, with seconds left in the half week 1 it was only 14-0, before a pick 6 that blew it open.  The second score to make it 14-0 came on a fumbled snap by SJF QB deep in own zone.  either way, neither team really tested MUC.

MUC's only tests since regular season 2006 against Cap, was 2006 semi and 2007 Stagg

[Jonny Utah]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

even hartwick?

[Yanks 99]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

even hartwick?

No way they take the second place team from the NEFC over the second place team from the E8...Wick will get in over Curry...

[Jonny Utah]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

even hartwick?

No way they take the second place team from the NEFC over the second place team from the E8...Wick will get in over Curry...

Yea the nefc is horrible.  Have they ever won a playoff game?

[Yanks 99]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

even hartwick?

No way they take the second place team from the NEFC over the second place team from the E8...Wick will get in over Curry...

Yea the nefc is horrible.  Have they ever won a playoff game?

That was last year bub...lets stay focused...should IC get the #1 seed because the won a NC in 1991?  No, they should get it because they had the best year this year in the East.

[Jonny Utah]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

[Bombers798891]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

even hartwick?

No way they take the second place team from the NEFC over the second place team from the E8...Wick will get in over Curry...

Yea the nefc is horrible.  Have they ever won a playoff game?

That was last year bub...lets stay focused...should IC get the #1 seed because the won a NC in 1991?  No, they should get it because they had the best year this year in the East.

That gets us to the larger question of this whole "regional" debate. I would agree that IC is the best team in the East, but that being said, the NCAA isn't so much interested in getting the best teams from the north, south, east and west into the Final 4, just the four best teams.

[Yanks 99]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?