East Region Playoff Discussion

[Yanks 99]

You seen their defense at their worse. They played decent the rest of the defense minus the Springfield game. If you have an offense that scores 43 points a game, you only need to make a couple of stops and they played strong when they needed to.

1) You won't be hanging 43 on MUC...we went in there last season averaging 40 points a game over our last 6 games and put up 18 points. MUC has only allowed 60 points all season. They're not going to put up anything close to 43 on MUC

2) Yes, Hartwick's defense improved, but come on. We're talking a team in MUC who is averaging 47 points a game. They'll gash Wick. Kimic would run for 400 yards

I think it was a general statement about the O and D, not really a comparison against MUC.  No one from Wick doubts that MUC is the real deal and that it would take a miracle of epic proportions to go into Alliance and pull off something resembling a victory....that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funner then hell to try...

[Bombers798891]

You seen their defense at their worse. They played decent the rest of the defense minus the Springfield game. If you have an offense that scores 43 points a game, you only need to make a couple of stops and they played strong when they needed to.

1) You won't be hanging 43 on MUC...we went in there last season averaging 40 points a game over our last 6 games and put up 18 points. MUC has only allowed 60 points all season. They're not going to put up anything close to 43 on MUC

2) Yes, Hartwick's defense improved, but come on. We're talking a team in MUC who is averaging 47 points a game. They'll gash Wick. Kimic would run for 400 yards

I think it was a general statement about the O and D, not really a comparison against MUC.  No one from Wick doubts that MUC is the real deal and that it would take a miracle of epic proportions to go into Alliance and pull off something resembling a victory....that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funner then hell to try...

I'm with you there. It was fun to watch IC throw the kitchen sink at them too. Sadly, I just don't think that's going to be the case

[Yanks 99]

You seen their defense at their worse. They played decent the rest of the defense minus the Springfield game. If you have an offense that scores 43 points a game, you only need to make a couple of stops and they played strong when they needed to.

1) You won't be hanging 43 on MUC...we went in there last season averaging 40 points a game over our last 6 games and put up 18 points. MUC has only allowed 60 points all season. They're not going to put up anything close to 43 on MUC

2) Yes, Hartwick's defense improved, but come on. We're talking a team in MUC who is averaging 47 points a game. They'll gash Wick. Kimic would run for 400 yards

I think it was a general statement about the O and D, not really a comparison against MUC.  No one from Wick doubts that MUC is the real deal and that it would take a miracle of epic proportions to go into Alliance and pull off something resembling a victory....that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funner then hell to try...

I'm with you there. It was fun to watch IC throw the kitchen sink at them too. Sadly, I just don't think that's going to be the case

It may not be...but would LOVE the chance...

[Bombers798891]

You seen their defense at their worse. They played decent the rest of the defense minus the Springfield game. If you have an offense that scores 43 points a game, you only need to make a couple of stops and they played strong when they needed to.

1) You won't be hanging 43 on MUC...we went in there last season averaging 40 points a game over our last 6 games and put up 18 points. MUC has only allowed 60 points all season. They're not going to put up anything close to 43 on MUC

2) Yes, Hartwick's defense improved, but come on. We're talking a team in MUC who is averaging 47 points a game. They'll gash Wick. Kimic would run for 400 yards

I think it was a general statement about the O and D, not really a comparison against MUC.  No one from Wick doubts that MUC is the real deal and that it would take a miracle of epic proportions to go into Alliance and pull off something resembling a victory....that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funner then hell to try...

I'm with you there. It was fun to watch IC throw the kitchen sink at them too. Sadly, I just don't think that's going to be the case

It may not be...but would LOVE the chance...

I feel like this is like three weeks ago when we were debating the Wick like this. Lol. All we need are some SJF guys to point out that they almost beat Salisbury and destroyed IC and we'd be back in October!!

[HHawks]

You seen their defense at their worse. They played decent the rest of the defense minus the Springfield game. If you have an offense that scores 43 points a game, you only need to make a couple of stops and they played strong when they needed to.

1) You won't be hanging 43 on MUC...we went in there last season averaging 40 points a game over our last 6 games and put up 18 points. MUC has only allowed 60 points all season. They're not going to put up anything close to 43 on MUC

2) Yes, Hartwick's defense improved, but come on. We're talking a team in MUC who is averaging 47 points a game. They'll gash Wick. Kimic would run for 400 yards

I think it was a general statement about the O and D, not really a comparison against MUC.  No one from Wick doubts that MUC is the real deal and that it would take a miracle of epic proportions to go into Alliance and pull off something resembling a victory....that doesn't mean it wouldn't be funner then hell to try...

I'm with you there. It was fun to watch IC throw the kitchen sink at them too. Sadly, I just don't think that's going to be the case

It may not be...but would LOVE the chance...

I feel like this is like three weeks ago when we were debating the Wick like this. Lol. All we need are some SJF guys to point out that they almost beat Salisbury and destroyed IC and we'd be back in October!!

I dont think we'll be hearing from any SJF guys for a while. lol, im such a trouble maker.

[gobombers15]

As much as I'd like to see them in for conference reasons, I don't think Hartwick deserves a bid. That Springfield loss, to me, is the nail in the proverbial coffin. You just can't get whipped like that by a team with a terrible record. You Hartwick guys keep saying "Hartwick has as good of an argument as any of the other East Region teams," so let's hear why Hartwick should make it in over RPI, Rowan and Montclair (I definitely think the latter two should be taken over Hartwick).

Here's my best guess how this shakes out:

1- MUC
2- Ithaca
3- Hobart
4- Cortland
5- Imported Team
6- Plymouth St.
7- Lycoming
8- Montclair St.

This way, the committee could send Lycoming to MUC (#1 vs #7) and Montclair to Ithaca (#2 vs #8).

[redswarm81]

What if Husson were 9-0 overall?

[dewcrew88]

As much as I'd like to see them in for conference reasons, I don't think Hartwick deserves a bid. That Springfield loss, to me, is the nail in the proverbial coffin. You just can't get whipped like that by a team with a terrible record. You Hartwick guys keep saying "Hartwick has as good of an argument as any of the other East Region teams," so let's hear why Hartwick should make it in over RPI, Rowan and Montclair (I definitely think the latter two should be taken over Hartwick).

Here's my best guess how this shakes out:

1- MUC
2- Ithaca
3- Hobart
4- Cortland
5- Imported Team
6- Plymouth St.
7- Lycoming
8- Montclair St.

This way, the committee could send Lycoming to MUC (#1 vs #7) and Montclair to Ithaca (#2 vs #8).

why wouldn't you just make Lyco the 8 and Montclair the 7? Who could they import as a 5-seed?

[lewdogg11]

Bottom line, if it were down to 1 Pool C selection in the East, and the choices were Hartwick or Curry....It's not even a debate.  Curry gets the nod.  Yes, the NEFC sucks...BUT...Curry has one loss, Hartwick lost to friggin Springfield...AND...Curry beat up hartwick in the playoffs last year, MEANING...du...duh duh....They CAN compete!!!...atleast against Hartwick....but probably not anyone else.

In this scenario, Curry gets a Pool C without question.  If the committee is somehow looking for another, maybe Hartwick enters the debate...but they then lose out to Rowan or Montclair hands down.  Hartwick is going to the ECACs.  Stop debating it.  No one cares about 1 good player and the d3 NCAA committee is not going to go and change their criteria to promote a player.  He'll get his looks at the combine. 

[Frank Rossi]

Hartwick will probably not even make it to the board.  Their SoS dropped badly this weekend, and they have no wins against Regionally Ranked Opponents.  Montclair's RRO win against Rowan and Rowan's SoS numbers place those two teams ahead of Hartwick for objective reasons.

Subjective analysis would likely be used to validate this decision -- and looking at the three teams' schedules, I believe that Hartwick's schedule will be considered far inferior to both Rowan's and Monclair's schedules.  I would be shocked if Hartwick found its way onto a final listing tomorrow afternoon.

['gro]

Pat and Co. Playoff Projection

East bracket
1. Mount Union
2. Ithaca
3. Cortland State
4. Hobart
5. Wesley (B)
6. Plymouth State
7. Montclair State (C)
8. Lycoming
The East has had seasons before without an unbeaten team. But none of them came a year after Mount Union got moved out to the East as the top seed. And it's time to do it again. First-round pairings here fall right according to the seedings: Lycoming at Mount Union, Montclair State at Ithaca, Plymouth State at Cortland State and Wesley at Hobart.


Logical yes, but Gro has a feeling that the NCAA will subscribe to the criteria like Redswarm has been saying. I mean, it is the criteria.  Gro sees Curry sneaking in at 9-1. Husson is a longer shot.

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

[theoriginalupstate]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

[Jonny Utah]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

In his defense, he was responding to my remarks about how Curry might deserve a bid over Hartwick this year becasue of what happened last year.  He tried to make the point that we shouldnt care about last year and if the ncaa did, they might as well care about putting Boltus in the playoffs to showcase him.

In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

['gro]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

In his defense, he was responding to my remarks about how Curry might deserve a bid over Hartwick this year becasue of what happened last year.  He tried to make the point that we shouldnt care about last year and if the ncaa did, they might as well care about putting Boltus in the playoffs to showcase him.

In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

No defending that logic... this isn't the make a wish foundation. The NCAA can't go into the statistics vault and pull the teams with the best passer, rusher, receiver into the playoffs. Hartwick shouldn't have lost to Springfield.

[Jonny Utah]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

In his defense, he was responding to my remarks about how Curry might deserve a bid over Hartwick this year becasue of what happened last year.  He tried to make the point that we shouldnt care about last year and if the ncaa did, they might as well care about putting Boltus in the playoffs to showcase him.

In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

No defending that logic... this isn't the make a wish foundation. The NCAA can't go into the statistics vault and pull the teams with the best passer, rusher, receiver into the playoffs. Hartwick shouldn't have lost to Springfield.

No I think he meant to say that looking at last years games for this years playoff selections would be as stupid as looking at showcaseing Boltus in the playoffs.  They both didnt make sense to him.....I think thats what he was trying to say anyway.....

"Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?
"

Actually, maybe he was sort of suggesting it.  I agree that a keyboard should be smashed upside his face as well....