East Region Playoff Discussion

['gro]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

In his defense, he was responding to my remarks about how Curry might deserve a bid over Hartwick this year becasue of what happened last year.  He tried to make the point that we shouldnt care about last year and if the ncaa did, they might as well care about putting Boltus in the playoffs to showcase him.

In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

No defending that logic... this isn't the make a wish foundation. The NCAA can't go into the statistics vault and pull the teams with the best passer, rusher, receiver into the playoffs. Hartwick shouldn't have lost to Springfield.

No I think he meant to say that looking at last years games for this years playoff selections would be as stupid as looking at showcaseing Boltus in the playoffs.  They both didnt make sense to him.....I think thats what he was trying to say anyway.....

"Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?
"

Actually, maybe he was sort of suggesting it.  I agree that a keyboard should be smashed upside his face as well....

Ok ok, it was all fun and games.

I still want all Hartwick fans to bash themselves in the face with the nearest heavy object.

[dlippiel]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

In his defense, he was responding to my remarks about how Curry might deserve a bid over Hartwick this year becasue of what happened last year.  He tried to make the point that we shouldnt care about last year and if the ncaa did, they might as well care about putting Boltus in the playoffs to showcase him.

In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

No defending that logic... this isn't the make a wish foundation. The NCAA can't go into the statistics vault and pull the teams with the best passer, rusher, receiver into the playoffs. Hartwick shouldn't have lost to Springfield.

No I think he meant to say that looking at last years games for this years playoff selections would be as stupid as looking at showcaseing Boltus in the playoffs.  They both didnt make sense to him.....I think thats what he was trying to say anyway.....

"Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?
"

Actually, maybe he was sort of suggesting it.  I agree that a keyboard should be smashed upside his face as well....

Ok ok, it was all fun and games.

I still want all Hartwick fans to bash themselves in the face with the nearest heavy object.

Dude Wick sucks and should not have lost to Springfield. What pisses me off most about them is that I could never, ever, imagine giving a bid to an NEFC team over an e8 team, but when Wick lost to Curry last year and embarrassed us all it makes me think maybe Curry should go instead? **** why have Hartwick go and get their ass handed to them? Personally I think Boltus and Phelan deserve to go but in the end they are a team and have not done what it takes to get to the show. End of discussion.

[labart96]

Pat and Co. Playoff Projection

East bracket
1. Mount Union
2. Ithaca
3. Cortland State
4. Hobart
5. Wesley (B)
6. Plymouth State
7. Montclair State (C)
8. Lycoming
The East has had seasons before without an unbeaten team. But none of them came a year after Mount Union got moved out to the East as the top seed. And it's time to do it again. First-round pairings here fall right according to the seedings: Lycoming at Mount Union, Montclair State at Ithaca, Plymouth State at Cortland State and Wesley at Hobart.


Logical yes, but Gro has a feeling that the NCAA will subscribe to the criteria like Redswarm has been saying. I mean, it is the criteria.  Gro sees Curry sneaking in at 9-1. Husson is a longer shot.

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

TGP thinks it's a bum rap if Hobart ends up with a game vs. Wesley.  Hobart deserves a 3 seed and Cortland the 4.

[Jonny Utah]

Pat and Co. Playoff Projection

East bracket
1. Mount Union
2. Ithaca
3. Cortland State
4. Hobart
5. Wesley (B)
6. Plymouth State
7. Montclair State (C)
8. Lycoming
The East has had seasons before without an unbeaten team. But none of them came a year after Mount Union got moved out to the East as the top seed. And it's time to do it again. First-round pairings here fall right according to the seedings: Lycoming at Mount Union, Montclair State at Ithaca, Plymouth State at Cortland State and Wesley at Hobart.


Logical yes, but Gro has a feeling that the NCAA will subscribe to the criteria like Redswarm has been saying. I mean, it is the criteria.  Gro sees Curry sneaking in at 9-1. Husson is a longer shot.

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

TGP thinks it's a bum rap if Hobart ends up with a game vs. Wesley.  Hobart deserves a 3 seed and Cortland the 4.

I think you could see these matchups

Mt. Union/Lycoming
Plymouth/Ithaca
Cortland/Hobart
Montclair/Wesley

[labart96]

that makes a lot of sense (from minimizing travel perspective). 

[XREDDRAGON77]

  TGP,
How do you see Hobart as the higher seed?   SOS was not as strong as Cortland's correct?   

[Jonny Utah]

Yea Hobart and Cortland are tough to seperate. 

On one hand, maybe Cortlands league schedule was overatted this year.

On the other hand, Cortland didn't lose to any average teams like Hobart did.

Maybe Cortland loses another game if they are in the LL?  But could Hobart go undefeated in the NJAC and beat a tough nonleague team (Ithaca) that they didnt have to play?

[redswarm81]

Pat and Co. Playoff Projection

East bracket
1. Mount Union
2. Ithaca
3. Cortland State
4. Hobart
5. Wesley (B)
6. Plymouth State
7. Montclair State (C)
8. Lycoming
The East has had seasons before without an unbeaten team. But none of them came a year after Mount Union got moved out to the East as the top seed. And it's time to do it again. First-round pairings here fall right according to the seedings: Lycoming at Mount Union, Montclair State at Ithaca, Plymouth State at Cortland State and Wesley at Hobart.


Logical yes, but Gro has a feeling that the NCAA will subscribe to the criteria like Redswarm has been saying. I mean, it is the criteria.  Gro sees Curry sneaking in at 9-1. Husson is a longer shot.

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

TGP thinks it's a bum rap if Hobart ends up with a game vs. Wesley.  Hobart deserves a 3 seed and Cortland the 4.

I don't see how Hobart seeds higher than Cortland.  Cortland wins on

• winning percentage,
• OWP,
• OOWP, and
• "Results" v. RROs (that's the actual term in the Handbook)

In the Regional Rankings--Double Secret Probation Edition, Ithaca, Montclair St., Rowan, and I'm guessing even RPI are all ranked.  Cortland has two positive "results" v. RROs, Hobart has only one.

The only thing that favors Hobart is the "last 25% of the season" fudge factor.  But I don't see that overcoming a deficit in four primary criteria.

[gobombers15]

  TGP,
How do you see Hobart as the higher seed?   SOS was not as strong as Cortland's correct?   

I agree, Cortland should be ranked ahead of Hobart. Initially, I thought Hobart would be ranked ahead of Cortland due to the Law of Recency. But looking at the season as a whole, Cortland deserves to be ranked ahead of Hobart. The only question now becomes if the committee wants to set up Cortland-Ithaca II in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they slip Wesley in there as #3 to keep that from happening.

[cstate19]

  TGP,
How do you see Hobart as the higher seed?   SOS was not as strong as Cortland's correct?   

I agree, Cortland should be ranked ahead of Hobart. Initially, I thought Hobart would be ranked ahead of Cortland due to the Law of Recency. But looking at the season as a whole, Cortland deserves to be ranked ahead of Hobart. The only question now becomes if the committee wants to set up Cortland-Ithaca II in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they slip Wesley in there as #3 to keep that from happening.

Forget that.  Make it happen committee!!!

[Yanks 99]

To whomever said the NCAA would pick Hartwick so we could see Boltus play another game(s)... take your keyboard or entire laptop and bash youself in the face. That is the dumbest thing Gro has ever heard.

It is a Hartwick fan, so its really not a surprise...

In his defense, he was responding to my remarks about how Curry might deserve a bid over Hartwick this year becasue of what happened last year.  He tried to make the point that we shouldnt care about last year and if the ncaa did, they might as well care about putting Boltus in the playoffs to showcase him.

In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

No defending that logic... this isn't the make a wish foundation. The NCAA can't go into the statistics vault and pull the teams with the best passer, rusher, receiver into the playoffs. Hartwick shouldn't have lost to Springfield.

No I think he meant to say that looking at last years games for this years playoff selections would be as stupid as looking at showcaseing Boltus in the playoffs.  They both didnt make sense to him.....I think thats what he was trying to say anyway.....

"Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?
"

Actually, maybe he was sort of suggesting it.  I agree that a keyboard should be smashed upside his face as well....

Ok ok, it was all fun and games.

I still want all Hartwick fans to bash themselves in the face with the nearest heavy object.

I wrote the part about showcasing Boltus...and it was only to prove a point about using last year as criteria for this years NCAA choices.

I don't think it is a clear cut case for Curry over last year.  Curry didn't even make their conference championship game this year.  It was like a few years back when Oklahoma went to the NC game and didnt even make it to their conference championship game...I don't think it made any sense.

We may make it, we may not...clearly if we had done our job against SC we wouldn't be having this conversation.  It doesn't mean I don't think we have a strong arguement to go.

I won't smash myself in the face with the laptop either.  I will save that for Upstate...man is he one angy dude right now...

[labart96]

  TGP,
How do you see Hobart as the higher seed?   SOS was not as strong as Cortland's correct?   

hard to say.  njac doesn't look any better (maybe even worse than the LL).  hobart won it's out of conference games (vs. Dickinson and CMU).  cortland lost theirs. 

at this point, it's all symantics anyway.  only way we'll know for sure is if bart and cortland play in the first round - which may be possible actually.

[Ralph Turner]

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In other thoughts, JU is looking at Del Val as a possible sneak into the NCAAs?  I mean, they have 2 high quality wins and only 2 d3 losses.

Most accurately, a high quality win is a win over a Regionally Ranked opponent.

DelValley may have a win over Wesley, but surely Albright has dropped out of the Regional Rankings.  If Lycoming has jumped into the East, then the record versus RRO is 1-1, and there are lots of teams ahead of them in the Regional Rankings.

[pumkinattack]

I still wonder about the NJAC since the top teams didn't play anyone of note out of conference, other than Cortaca, and we know how that went.  Not putting down Cortland, or the NJAC, but how do you not reevaluate the entire conference and possibly bump either Montclair or Rowan out of the regional rankings when the only one of the three who didn't lose yesterday was the team who didn't play (Rowan).  Montclair gets credit for beating Rowan, but then what has Rowan done, this year, with two losses, that keeps them in the regional rankings.  They appear to be caught in a virtuous circle that benefits all three (Cortland, Montclair and Rowan), but if one were to drop (how do you drop Montclair out, but keep Rowan in based on head to head) out, then Cortland is 1-1 vs. RRO and Bart is 1-0 (assuming RPI stays in, but I suppose that's up in the air now).  Rowan beat 7-3 (NEFC) Bridgewater and Montclair beat 4-6 Wilkes in non-conference.  

I'd say that if Montclair and Rowan remain regionally ranked, then Cortland stays ahead by the rules.  Really all that tells us is that there is more dispersion/less parity in the NJAC than in the LL, but little else.  Such is the nature of a 10 team conference.  

[DanPadavona]

I can't remember.  The bracket is at 3pm on ESPNews?