East Region Playoff Discussion

[Bombers798891]

That's up to the guys on the field but we're calling them as we see them.

That's my question: What do the guys on the field need to do? How can they be sucessful?

As I said if you re-read my post, I know there's very little of a chance. No-one's saying you need to predict a loss if you don't see one. But to not even discuss what needs to happen for an upset to occur? To not even say, "Here's how Otterbein stuck with MUC for 20 minutes" or "Here's what Whitewater was able to do last season"? Something beyond just discarding the possibility of another team in the bracket doing anything as a pipe dream?

[realistic]

Bombers - this comes up everytime someone plays Mount.  The fisher guys got riled up about the same thing before their game last year and again this season. 

What are they going to write?  Teams play their best against Mount and usually still lose.  Is it possible, yeah anything is.  Is it likely, no.  I don't know if you want them to make up something or have real analysis.  To me, thats real analysis since no one has stopped them recently.

If this was the late 80s, I imagine anyone analyzing it would have said the same thing about Dayton, Auagustana and sometimes IC.

[labart96]

TGP would have liked to have this in the capsules:



60% of the time, Plymouth wins every time

[Bombers798891]

Bombers - this comes up everytime someone plays Mount.  The fisher guys got riled up about the same thing before their game last year and again this season. 

What are they going to write?  Teams play their best against Mount and usually still lose.  Is it possible, yeah anything is.  Is it likely, no.  I don't know if you want them to make up something or have real analysis.  To me, thats real analysis since no one has stopped them recently.

If this was the late 80s, I imagine anyone analyzing it would have said the same thing about Dayton, Auagustana and sometimes IC.

Look, obviously, teams don't beat MUC, or even stay close, 90% of the time. I know that. But as you said, it's possible. So why not discuss the possibility? Obviously, it's going to be a talent level question most of the time, but even MUC guys admit this team has some weaknesses (for them at least). I wrote about a half dozen times in my original post that I know it's extremely unlikely, but there's always a possibility.

And as you said, other teams could have had that written about them as well, but I'd feel the same way if this were IC (IC's actually never been undefeated, so to ever write that about them would seem odd anyway) i'm not really upset. I don't think Ithaca's being "disrespected." I don't think they'll beat MUC either. But I'd like to know how they could. There's a difference. I even refered to it in my original post as something like: "What do they need to do to upset MUC?"

[labart96]

That's up to the guys on the field but we're calling them as we see them.

That's my question: What do the guys on the field need to do? How can they be sucessful?

As I said if you re-read my post, I know there's very little of a chance. No-one's saying you need to predict a loss if you don't see one. But to not even discuss what needs to happen for an upset to occur? To not even say, "Here's how Otterbein stuck with MUC for 20 minutes" or "Here's what Whitewater was able to do last season"? Something beyond just discarding the possibility of another team in the bracket doing anything as a pipe dream?

If Hobart is able to beat Lyco this weekend (certainly not a lock, but definitely possible), TGP is going to take a crack at some of these less than .0001% chance of happening scenarios and will post them in a Hobart vs. MUC preview.

[Bombers798891]

That's up to the guys on the field but we're calling them as we see them.

That's my question: What do the guys on the field need to do? How can they be sucessful?

As I said if you re-read my post, I know there's very little of a chance. No-one's saying you need to predict a loss if you don't see one. But to not even discuss what needs to happen for an upset to occur? To not even say, "Here's how Otterbein stuck with MUC for 20 minutes" or "Here's what Whitewater was able to do last season"? Something beyond just discarding the possibility of another team in the bracket doing anything as a pipe dream?

If Hobart is able to beat Lyco this weekend (certainly not a lock, but definitely possible), TGP is going to take a crack at some of these less than .0001% chance of happening scenarios and will post them in a Hobart vs. MUC preview.

That's all I'm saying.

[Knightstalker]

That's up to the guys on the field but we're calling them as we see them.

That's my question: What do the guys on the field need to do? How can they be sucessful?

As I said if you re-read my post, I know there's very little of a chance. No-one's saying you need to predict a loss if you don't see one. But to not even discuss what needs to happen for an upset to occur? To not even say, "Here's how Otterbein stuck with MUC for 20 minutes" or "Here's what Whitewater was able to do last season"? Something beyond just discarding the possibility of another team in the bracket doing anything as a pipe dream?

If Hobart is able to beat Lyco this weekend (certainly not a lock, but definitely possible), TGP is going to take a crack at some of these less than .0001% chance of happening scenarios and will post them in a Hobart vs. MUC preview.

That's all I'm saying.

798891, if you meander over to the OAC board and ask you may actually get an honest answer.  Most of the regular posters will tell you what is MUC's weakness' if any.  They are actually pretty forthcoming about the team.

[Bombers798891]

That's up to the guys on the field but we're calling them as we see them.

That's my question: What do the guys on the field need to do? How can they be sucessful?

As I said if you re-read my post, I know there's very little of a chance. No-one's saying you need to predict a loss if you don't see one. But to not even discuss what needs to happen for an upset to occur? To not even say, "Here's how Otterbein stuck with MUC for 20 minutes" or "Here's what Whitewater was able to do last season"? Something beyond just discarding the possibility of another team in the bracket doing anything as a pipe dream?

If Hobart is able to beat Lyco this weekend (certainly not a lock, but definitely possible), TGP is going to take a crack at some of these less than .0001% chance of happening scenarios and will post them in a Hobart vs. MUC preview.

That's all I'm saying.

798891, if you meander over to the OAC board and ask you may actually get an honest answer.  Most of the regular posters will tell you what is MUC's weakness' if any.  They are actually pretty forthcoming about the team.

And that's awesome. I'm glad to know that they haven't taken the "Why bother?" approach to discussing the playoffs.

[rscl70]

Bombers - this comes up everytime someone plays Mount.  The fisher guys got riled up about the same thing before their game last year and again this season. 

What are they going to write?  Teams play their best against Mount and usually still lose.  Is it possible, yeah anything is.  Is it likely, no.  I don't know if you want them to make up something or have real analysis.  To me, thats real analysis since no one has stopped them recently.

If this was the late 80s, I imagine anyone analyzing it would have said the same thing about Dayton, Auagustana and sometimes IC.

Look, obviously, teams don't beat MUC, or even stay close, 90% of the time. I know that. But as you said, it's possible. So why not discuss the possibility? Obviously, it's going to be a talent level question most of the time, but even MUC guys admit this team has some weaknesses (for them at least). I wrote about a half dozen times in my original post that I know it's extremely unlikely, but there's always a possibility.

And as you said, other teams could have had that written about them as well, but I'd feel the same way if this were IC (IC's actually never been undefeated, so to ever write that about them would seem odd anyway) i'm not really upset. I don't think Ithaca's being "disrespected." I don't think they'll beat MUC either. But I'd like to know how they could. There's a difference. I even refered to it in my original post as something like: "What do they need to do to upset MUC?"

If you want to upset MUC you need to stop the running game without opening up the passing lanes.  You need to force at least three turnovers.  On offense you need a big, quick O line and a good running back to pound the ball down the field, and make no turnovers yourself.  Add an average passing game to keep Mounts D honest and you have a chance.  Piece of cake.

[Pat Coleman]

I even refered to it in my original post as something like: "What do they need to do to upset MUC?"

I think they each need to win two games before you can ask us to spend a whole lot of time dissecting that.

[Bombers798891]

I even refered to it in my original post as something like: "What do they need to do to upset MUC?"

I think they each need to win two games before you can ask us to spend a whole lot of time dissecting that.

That's fair. And for the record, I wasn't asking for an in-depth dissertation on the subject. Just something other than a dismissive "Why bother?".

[Pat Coleman]

A lot more people likely saw what I had to say on ESPNews than will read the capsules. I don't believe Ithaca will win, however, if that game takes place. What I laid out on the selection show was in response to whether anyone can challenge Mount Union. Ithaca has the things going for it that I laid out on the selection show.

[Bombers798891]

A lot more people likely saw what I had to say on ESPNews than will read the capsules. I don't believe Ithaca will win, however, if that game takes place. What I laid out on the selection show was in response to whether anyone can challenge Mount Union. Ithaca has the things going for it that I laid out on the selection show.

I mentioned your discussion on ESPN as well. I appreciate that. As I said, it's not so much the idea that "MUC is going to win the East" that bothers me. Just the occasional attitude from some--not necessarily you--that because they are, there's no need to debate further. Be it IC, Cortland, SJF, whoever, everyone has a chance in the playoffs, you know? I didn't mean to sound bitter.

[fisheralum91]

Well, i  for one will enjoy sat. afternoon- no pins and needles this week.
Good luck IC, make the E8 proud, and here is to hoping that next year we see an east bracket WITHOUT MUC!

[JQV]

If we're not even going to discuss the possibility of someone in the bracket pulling off the upset, what's the point?

"So, you're telling me there's a chance!"