East Region Playoff Discussion

[Btown999]

Yes, clearly I got confused and forgot everything I learned in 14 years of watching Division III football closely.

Not sure, honestly, how you expect me to re-evaluate the NEFC but not Curry. Seems impossible to do. I stand by my opinion that Curry should go out and schedule someone a little tougher than Worcester State next season for its 10th game.

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

I understand it's hard to look at things objectively when you are so close to the program, but this is what reality is like from the outside.

Pat,

I never meant that you personally should evaluate the NEFC.  If it sounded that way then I apologize.  I do not know the resources of your organization.  I had suspected that someone might take a longer look that's all.  I also just hoped that based upon what has happened in NCAA playoffs over the past couple of years you might, just maybe, acknowledge there is some decent football being palyed in the NEFC.

Look you're the big dog so you get the heat.  I thought this day after a win at IC, and a pool c bid selection by the NCAA ,that of all the people that might take a shot at Curry and the NEFC it would not come from the D3 football guys themselves.  

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

BTW, I never ment to call into question your 14 years of experience.  But you know and I know that one player doesn't make a team.

[Senor RedTackle]

If Curry REALLY wants þo up the ante, they should move to the E8 when Norwich leaves. Possible new conf names...

"E7 + 1"

"IC and the Hayta's"

"Dem Spicy E8'ers"

"We deserve Two Bids"

[Pat Coleman]

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

Considering this is the crux of my original post, perhaps you'll retract your assertion that I was taking a shot at Curry.

Smell the coffee... stop laying it on thick on the NEFC..
That goes for you as well Pat Coleman.

Now Curry should go out and actually SCHEDULE someone in the regular season. Don't leave us guessing in November as to whether you're actually good or not.

[pg04]

We'll find out in the next couple years whether Curry is the next Wesley or the next Brockport State.

Ouch!  Right to the heart! 

[Pat Coleman]

Sorry, dude -- didn't mean to hit you in the Darnley.

[Btown999]

If Curry REALLY wants þo up the ante, they should move to the E8 when Norwich leaves. Possible new conf names...

"E7 + 1"

"IC and the Hayta's"

"Dem Spicy E8'ers"

"We deserve Two Bids"

[/quote

Love it.  I think Dem Spicy E8'ers works best.  Now all you need to do is drop a $100,000 into each of the E8 football program for travel expenses and the magic can happen.

[pg04]

Sorry, dude -- didn't mean to hit you in the Darnley.

[Btown999]

PC.. that is the best you have "they need to schedule someone"  so you know.  It is fact... you now know.  Curry is good and will be good.

Curry is good with Van De Giesen at quarterback. We'll see what that gets you in 2009.

Pat,

With all due respect the above quote is your shot at Curry.  Can you show me where you have gone into another 7th seed's site (several won this week) and called them out similiarly?  If you did then I will feel differently about this.

It's not a shot at Curry that you wonder how to evaluate them because they play only in the NEFC.  That's something we can agree on.

[Pat Coleman]

None of the other No. 7's scheduled solely conference opponents, which meant we could properly evaluate them on their non-conference schedule.

If that's a shot, then you better hope nobody actually does take a shot at someone or something you like, because you'll be really upset. I'm just asking that Curry schedule like a playoff team considering it's been one for years now.

No. 7 seed Wheaton scheduled Bethel, a national semifinal team last year.
No. 7 seed Wartburg scheduled St. Norbert, which has won the Midwest Conference seven times in the past 10 years, and until yesterday, was the only MWC team to win a playoff game in the automatic bid era.
No. 7 seed Wesley scheduled Christopher Newport (ccd. because of tropical storm Hannah), 2007 MAC champ Widener, Delaware Valley and Iona.

Not sure why you want me to call them out. They all scheduled like playoff teams.

[Pat Coleman]

And by the way, it was because of that responsible scheduling that we knew Wesley and Wheaton could win those games yesterday. (Read the Triple Take from last week, where three of us unanimously picked them as "upsets.")

But if Curry wants respect, it's going to have to go schedule someone.

[Pat Coleman]

PC.. that is the best you have "they need to schedule someone"  so you know.  It is fact... you now know.  Curry is good and will be good.

Curry is good with Van De Giesen at quarterback. We'll see what that gets you in 2009.

Pat,

With all due respect the above quote is your shot at Curry.

Yes, indeed. When Curry fans took a shot at me, I did shoot back.

Sorry for being a jerk.... you started it.

This is actually not true. Perhaps you didn't read the post I responded to there?

[dlippiel]

Yes, clearly I got confused and forgot everything I learned in 14 years of watching Division III football closely.

Not sure, honestly, how you expect me to re-evaluate the NEFC but not Curry. Seems impossible to do. I stand by my opinion that Curry should go out and schedule someone a little tougher than Worcester State next season for its 10th game.

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

I understand it's hard to look at things objectively when you are so close to the program, but this is what reality is like from the outside.

Pat,

I never meant that you personally should evaluate the NEFC.  If it sounded that way then I apologize.  I do not know the resources of your organization.  I had suspected that someone might take a longer look that's all.  I also just hoped that based upon what has happened in NCAA playoffs over the past couple of years you might, just maybe, acknowledge there is some decent football being palyed in the NEFC.

Look you're the big dog so you get the heat.  I thought this day after a win at IC, and a pool c bid selection by the NCAA ,that of all the people that might take a shot at Curry and the NEFC it would not come from the D3 football guys themselves.  

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

BTW, I never ment to call into question your 14 years of experience.  But you know and I know that one player doesn't make a team.

Btown I don't think there is any question many of us overlooked Curry. The thing is though what you are not getting is who did we or any have to compare them to? I think Pat was being as objective as possible. I think you seem to have a passion and/or connection to the program so your mirror may be a bit foggy (very understandable though when it comes to U I can't even see through my mirror) Even the win over Wick last year really was not all that impressive because of the amount of points Wick gave up throughout the season and the lack of consistency they had on the "D" side of the ball. Only now with the very impressive W at Ithaca are we seeing that Curry really is a good team. It is just hard to gauge though because of the lack of outside scheduling. I mean look Plmouth is obviously a talented team, they beat Curry but lost to Mt. IDA. WHat do we have in regards of consistent results to gauge the NEFC? It's just tough ya know? By the way no such thing as a one man team.......SEE HARTWICK....BOLTUS

[Btown999]

None of the other No. 7's scheduled solely conference opponents, which meant we could properly evaluate them on their non-conference schedule.

If that's a shot, then you better hope nobody actually does take a shot at someone or something you like, because you'll be really upset. I'm just asking that Curry schedule like a playoff team considering it's been one for years now.

No. 7 seed Wheaton scheduled Bethel, a national semifinal team last year.
No. 7 seed Wartburg scheduled St. Norbert, which has won the Midwest Conference seven times in the past 10 years, and until yesterday, was the only MWC team to win a playoff game in the automatic bid era.
No. 7 seed Wesley scheduled Christopher Newport (ccd. because of tropical storm Hannah), 2007 MAC champ Widener, Delaware Valley and Iona.

Not sure why you want me to call them out. They all scheduled like playoff teams.

Pat,

Let's not twist this into me calling out any other team.  I did no such thing either by comment or suggestion.  I respeect their accomplishments.  I asked you, and I'll ask again, did you go to any of their sites and wonder out loud about their future based upon the graduation of any one player?  Answer that.  If it rather not stay to the point then fine ignore me. 
Just to be clear. 

Look I don't know you from Adam.  I assume you're probably a decent guy.  Your involvement in football is enough testimony for me to jump to that conclusion.  But you took a shot at Curry today.  I don't know your motivation.  But it seems to me you of all people would cheer a supposed underdog victory as it builds a greater base of interest.

[Pat Coleman]

Each of the other No. 7 seed has won playoff games with quarterbacks other than their current ones.

I guess you didn't read the post I was responding to, then. Mel said Curry is good and will be good. I don't think there are facts in evidence to suggest the latter, only the former. And that's why I note that Curry's only playoff wins are with the current quarterback, who is a senior.

You make it out to be an unsolicited shot at Curry, when in fact, I was called out by name and a claim was made that has dubious support. I called that assertion into question.

Are you following now?

[Btown999]

Yes, clearly I got confused and forgot everything I learned in 14 years of watching Division III football closely.

Not sure, honestly, how you expect me to re-evaluate the NEFC but not Curry. Seems impossible to do. I stand by my opinion that Curry should go out and schedule someone a little tougher than Worcester State next season for its 10th game.

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

I understand it's hard to look at things objectively when you are so close to the program, but this is what reality is like from the outside.

Pat,

I never meant that you personally should evaluate the NEFC.  If it sounded that way then I apologize.  I do not know the resources of your organization.  I had suspected that someone might take a longer look that's all.  I also just hoped that based upon what has happened in NCAA playoffs over the past couple of years you might, just maybe, acknowledge there is some decent football being palyed in the NEFC.

Look you're the big dog so you get the heat.  I thought this day after a win at IC, and a pool c bid selection by the NCAA ,that of all the people that might take a shot at Curry and the NEFC it would not come from the D3 football guys themselves.  

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

BTW, I never ment to call into question your 14 years of experience.  But you know and I know that one player doesn't make a team.

Btown I don't think there is any question many of us overlooked Curry. The thing is though what you are not getting is who did we or any have to compare them to? I think Pat was being as objective as possible. I think you seem to have a passion and/or connection to the program so your mirror may be a bit foggy (very understandable though when it comes to U I can't even see through my mirror) Even the win over Wick last year really was not all that impressive because of the amount of points Wick gave up throughout the season and the lack of consistency they had on the "D" side of the ball. Only now with the very impressive W at Ithaca are we seeing that Curry really is a good team. It is just hard to gauge though because of the lack of outside scheduling. I mean look Plmouth is obviously a talented team, they beat Curry but lost to Mt. IDA. WHat do we have in regards of consistent results to gauge the NEFC? It's just tough ya know? By the way no such thing as a one man team.......SEE HARTWICK....BOLTUS

I understand your point and agree if it's possible a number of NEFC teams should try to schedule teams out of their league.  I had only originally asked Pat to re-evaluate the NEFC competition level.  It wasn't about Curry.  Look, I know its difficult to eveluate the teams in the NEFC without a benchmark game or two.  Curry has had three in two years and stands at 2-1 (Wick, St. Jonhs Fisher, and IC).  My point is the players in that league deserve a fair shake.  Its difficult.  But if a person wnats to be the sheriif then wear the badge and don't get pi$$ed off cause someone asks for some consideration.

I also acknowledge your many positive posts after yesterday's win.  You were cool to do that.  I actually registered to thank you and others but got cuaght up in this stuff.