East Region Playoff Discussion

[Reno Hightower]

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

You are right, they do have to show that they can do it without him. But they did do it with him, so you cant fault Curry for actually having him on their team. Its the name on the front dont forget!

PS-Curry has more NCAA wins in the last 4 years than Ithaca and Union combined. Wow.

[lewdogg11]

Last word.  I win.

[Reno Hightower]

Yes, clearly I got confused and forgot everything I learned in 14 years of watching Division III football closely.

Not sure, honestly, how you expect me to re-evaluate the NEFC but not Curry. Seems impossible to do. I stand by my opinion that Curry should go out and schedule someone a little tougher than Worcester State next season for its 10th game.

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

I understand it's hard to look at things objectively when you are so close to the program, but this is what reality is like from the outside.

Pat,

I never meant that you personally should evaluate the NEFC.  If it sounded that way then I apologize.  I do not know the resources of your organization.  I had suspected that someone might take a longer look that's all.  I also just hoped that based upon what has happened in NCAA playoffs over the past couple of years you might, just maybe, acknowledge there is some decent football being palyed in the NEFC.

Look you're the big dog so you get the heat.  I thought this day after a win at IC, and a pool c bid selection by the NCAA ,that of all the people that might take a shot at Curry and the NEFC it would not come from the D3 football guys themselves.  

Where I do completely agree with you is that Curry and some other NEFC teams need to schedule some outside competition.  Let's hope we see that happen next year.

BTW, I never ment to call into question your 14 years of experience.  But you know and I know that one player doesn't make a team.

Btown I don't think there is any question many of us overlooked Curry. The thing is though what you are not getting is who did we or any have to compare them to? I think Pat was being as objective as possible. I think you seem to have a passion and/or connection to the program so your mirror may be a bit foggy (very understandable though when it comes to U I can't even see through my mirror) Even the win over Wick last year really was not all that impressive because of the amount of points Wick gave up throughout the season and the lack of consistency they had on the "D" side of the ball. Only now with the very impressive W at Ithaca are we seeing that Curry really is a good team. It is just hard to gauge though because of the lack of outside scheduling. I mean look Plmouth is obviously a talented team, they beat Curry but lost to Mt. IDA. WHat do we have in regards of consistent results to gauge the NEFC? It's just tough ya know? By the way no such thing as a one man team.......SEE HARTWICK....BOLTUS

I understand your point and agree if it's possible a number of NEFC teams should try to schedule teams out of their league.  I had only originally asked Pat to re-evaluate the NEFC competition level.  It wasn't about Curry.  Look, I know its difficult to eveluate the teams in the NEFC without a benchmark game or two.  Curry has had three in two years and stands at 2-1 (Wick, St. Jonhs Fisher, and IC).  My point is the players in that league deserve a fair shake.  Its difficult.  But if a person wnats to be the sheriif then wear the badge and don't get pi$$ed off cause someone asks for some consideration.

I also acknowledge your many positive posts after yesterday's win.  You were cool to do that.  I actually registered to thank you and others but got cuaght up in this stuff.

Good point Btown.

[Pat Coleman]

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

You are right, they do have to show that they can do it without him. But they did do it with him, so you cant fault Curry for actually having him on their team. Its the name on the front dont forget!

No, but again, the assertion was that Curry would continue at this level. That's what I'm saying is yet to be determined.

[Btown999]

Each of the other No. 7 seed has won playoff games with quarterbacks other than their current ones.

I guess you didn't read the post I was responding to, then. Mel said Curry is good and will be good. I don't think there are facts in evidence to suggest the latter, only the former. And that's why I note that Curry's only playoff wins are with the current quarterback, who is a senior.

You make it out to be an unsolicited shot at Curry, when in fact, I was called out by name and a claim was made that has dubious support. I called that assertion into question.

Are you following now?

Pat,

Yeah I am with you now.  I hope you will understand that my request for a re-evaluation of the NEFC comes from frustration (not with you).  As I said in my earlier post you're the big dog so you get the heat.  For that you have my appreciation and if I offened you my apologies. 

We're hopefully cool now?  Peace.

[Btown999]

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

You are right, they do have to show that they can do it without him. But they did do it with him, so you cant fault Curry for actually having him on their team. Its the name on the front dont forget!

No, but again, the assertion was that Curry would continue at this level. That's what I'm saying is yet to be determined.

I hear that.  Pat is it possible that I could be among the few that get banned on their first day?   

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed, all cool.

Curry has an opportunity here to really make something of its program. But 10 games against the NEFC won't help. This is a great run to recruit off of.

[Reno Hightower]

Van De Geisen does indeed span the entire "Curry winning a playoff game" history, though. That's what raises Curry above the level of the average NEFC champion. That's what they have to show they can continue without him.

You are right, they do have to show that they can do it without him. But they did do it with him, so you cant fault Curry for actually having him on their team. Its the name on the front dont forget!

No, but again, the assertion was that Curry would continue at this level. That's what I'm saying is yet to be determined.

Doesnt that have to be determined by everybody save Mount (whom Im pretty sure has proven they can sustain)?

[Pat Coleman]

I think several programs have shown they can sustain the level we're actually talking about -- the level where they can regularly win a first-round playoff game.

[pg04]

I think several programs have shown they can sustain the level we're actually talking about -- the level where they can regularly win a first-round playoff game.

I.E.  Mary-Hardin Baylor, St. John's, UW-Whitewater, Wesley ...

[theoriginalupstate]

I think several programs have shown they can sustain the level we're actually talking about -- the level where they can regularly win a first-round playoff game.

I.E.  Mary-Hardin Baylor, St. John's, UW-Whitewater, Wesley, Team Boltus...

Dont forget the one I added...

[Reno Hightower]

I think several programs have shown they can sustain the level we're actually talking about -- the level where they can regularly win a first-round playoff game.

None really in the East/Northeast though. So Curry really shouldnt be singled out.

['gro]

We'll find out in the next couple years whether Curry is the next Wesley or the next Brockport State.

Ouch!  Right to the heart! 

Ooooh, you could have said West Conn and not insulted anyone (any current posters)

[union89]

PC.. that is the best you have "they need to schedule someone"  so you know.  It is fact... you now know.  Curry is good and will be good.
Why do they need to play Someone from NJ or NY and take on a travel expense?  So you know?  The NCAA knows too... they knew before the game.  They can drive two hours and get a game.  Maybe you missed the boat on an entire conferece.  That is just not fair. 

Seems like the Fitchberg Curry game was indeed a good one.

The best player on the field that day was not even one of Curry's guys.
It was Thornton and Miller was #2.

Before the AQ these teams did not even get a chance.
Long before D3.com in the 16 team field years it was roughly the same 16 teams getting in.

I remember a PSU team comming up to South Hill field in 87 and beating IC in an ECAC game.

How about the 17-16 victory of CNJ over CGA in 96??

Look at the scores

How about RPI?? Who should they play?  So we know?
Utica and Endicott.  They get not a second look at that.
Had they won in week 10 they and Hobart were in.

Look back to Rowan v Bridgewater... two good teams in a good evenly matched game.  Top half type teams in their leagues.

Look at Montclair yesterday... wow the #2 NJAC team gets it handed to them.  Well Albright is good and that can happen.

My point is you can no longer make bold brushing statements about the East.  Every league has its good teams, average ones and bad teams.

IC used to have a roster loaded with the best D3 players from Mass.
Now they go to Curry and other NEFC teams. 

Curry does not have to do anything to satisfy anyone.
Anyone who can dominate an 18 team league gets and the runner up needs to get a hard look. 

The playing field is level and now alot of people shake their head and say it has come to this.

And I also remember Joe Dudek's team getting smoked by Union......I give Curry credit, but has Plymouth ever gotten out of New England??

[theoriginalupstate]

We'll find out in the next couple years whether Curry is the next Wesley or the next Brockport State.

Ouch!  Right to the heart! 

Ooooh, you could have said West Conn and not insulted anyone (any current posters)

Yeah you should of picked some other flash in the pan to possibly compare Curry too...





Maybe Ithaca...

I kid...
I kid...