East Region Playoff Discussion

[K-Mack]

If T-Shirts are being made, I want one.

Chemically enhanced cavemen are missing one key element that curry has in abundance:
PURPLE DRANK

Symbol: Pd
# Electrons: 47
# Protons: 58
# 'Gro-trons: 14

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Get your drank on @ The Chugger - 11/29/08

IT'S SCIENCE

[clandfan]

Chemically enhanced cavemen are missing one key element that curry has in abundance:
PURPLE DRANK

Symbol: Pd
# Electrons: 47
# Protons: 58
# 'Gro-trons: 14

vs.

Get your drank on @ The Chugger - 11/29/08

IT'S SCIENCE

Yeah...it's science all right.  Easy science....so easy that even "chemically enhanced cavemen" can do it!

[theoriginalupstate]

Chemically enhanced cavemen are missing one key element that curry has in abundance:
PURPLE DRANK

Symbol: Pd
# Electrons: 47
# Protons: 58
# 'Gro-trons: 14

vs.

Get your drank on @ The Chugger - 11/29/08

IT'S SCIENCE

Yeah...it's science all right.  Easy science....so easy that even "chemically enhanced cavemen" can do it!

So how long untile we see another C and an E on those Cortland Helmets?

[K-Mack]

OK, real reason I stopped by.

Was any Hobart or LL fan particularly put off by this?:

Toughest path to Salem
Hobart hasn't gotten enough attention for what it's done this season, and being mentioned here isn't really for the right reason either. Should the Statesmen get past three-loss Lycoming at home, they would travel to Mount Union. Then even with a stunning upset, they could still have to get through Ithaca or Cortland State and the North Central Bracket champion for a Stagg Bowl appearance. So, yeah, enjoy that home game.

I didn't think it was bad, especially taken as a whole, but there's a Hobart parent who vehemently disagrees. Put off mostly by the last line.

It's to the point where I haven't opened his latest reply, because I know me, and I'm not good at letting someone else have the last word, so if I read it, it'll never end.

[XREDDRAGON77]

Tell him if they wanted an easier road, they should not have slipped up against Union.

[lewdogg11]

OK, real reason I stopped by.

Was any Hobart or LL fan particularly put off by this?:

Toughest path to Salem
Hobart hasn't gotten enough attention for what it's done this season, and being mentioned here isn't really for the right reason either. Should the Statesmen get past three-loss Lycoming at home, they would travel to Mount Union. Then even with a stunning upset, they could still have to get through Ithaca or Cortland State and the North Central Bracket champion for a Stagg Bowl appearance. So, yeah, enjoy that home game.

I didn't think it was bad, especially taken as a whole, but there's a Hobart parent who vehemently disagrees. Put off mostly by the last line.

It's to the point where I haven't opened his latest reply, because I know me, and I'm not good at letting someone else have the last word, so if I read it, it'll never end.

I thought it was pretty true to be honest.  They DID enjoy their home game.  Now, to get any further, they have some wood to saw through.  Couldn't they 'technically' get a home game vs. DSB though?   ERRONEOUS STATEMENT!!!!!

[clandfan]

KMac....that is really bad...dissing em like that. how insulting, offensive and ignorant of you.  show some self control man, that was way out of line, uncalled for.  What did they ever do to you?  What were you thinking...up in their grill and all?  Unbelievable...just unbelievable.  Completely classless...you had no right.  It was irresponsible.  YOu showed poor judgement...how dare you! just awful.  How could you?

[XREDDRAGON77]

I would guess beating Mount anywhere in the playoffs could feel almost as good as beating them in the finals.  Although I bet those Rowan guys felt bitter after Pac Lute stomped them a week after.

[labart96]

OK, real reason I stopped by.

Was any Hobart or LL fan particularly put off by this?:

Toughest path to Salem
Hobart hasn't gotten enough attention for what it's done this season, and being mentioned here isn't really for the right reason either. Should the Statesmen get past three-loss Lycoming at home, they would travel to Mount Union. Then even with a stunning upset, they could still have to get through Ithaca or Cortland State and the North Central Bracket champion for a Stagg Bowl appearance. So, yeah, enjoy that home game.

I didn't think it was bad, especially taken as a whole, but there's a Hobart parent who vehemently disagrees. Put off mostly by the last line.

It's to the point where I haven't opened his latest reply, because I know me, and I'm not good at letting someone else have the last word, so if I read it, it'll never end.

TGP responded to this on the ATN, but the reality is, if Cortland took care of business in the first place we wouldn't be having this discussion.  XRed is correct as well.  If Hobart didn't whiff on 3 FGs and was 9-0 to end the season, they could have potentially been the #1 seed after Cortland lost.  

Since both teams didn't finish undefeated, we (aka the East although this whole region thing is really another NCAA sponsored joke in a way, but that's a whole other topic) deserved MUC in "our" bracket.  End of story.

Regardless of where they ended up, if you want to win a NC you'll probably have to play MUC anyway, so a 2nd vs a later round game really doesn't make a difference anyway.

The last line was a bit snide, but also true in a way.  Obviously this parent took it a little too personally, but that's his issue not yours.  As you, Pat, etc have said many, many times, it's not your job to "sugarcoat" things.  TGP is cool with that stance.  Still, it also wouldn't hurt to discuss the "what if" scenarios too, but TGP understands that you guys have a lot on your plate with all the games, so spending additional time analyzing a game that MUC will probably win anyway (they have only lost 5 games in 10 years after all) may not be that high a priority.  

Regardless, since Hobart hasn't been able to advance past the 2nd round yet, we are the team with something to prove, not MUC.  Honestly Hobart has nothing to lose other than the game.  If they somehow pull off the upset, it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.  If they lose, so what?  It will suck, but at least they had a shot at the best team in the country.  If anything a "quality loss" is often rewarded by pollsters, etc from a national standpoint which will be helpful for Hobart getting themselves (and indirectly the LL) a little more respect going into the 2009 season.

Not sure if that answers your originally posed question but that this "Frank Rossi of Hobart"'s view.

[clandfan]

Chemically enhanced cavemen are missing one key element that curry has in abundance:
PURPLE DRANK

Symbol: Pd
# Electrons: 47
# Protons: 58
# 'Gro-trons: 14

vs.

Get your drank on @ The Chugger - 11/29/08

IT'S SCIENCE

Yeah...it's science all right.  Easy science....so easy that even "chemically enhanced cavemen" can do it!

So how long untile we see another C and an E on those Cortland Helmets?

I don't know about the C and E but I kind of like the hairy guy with the club.  Might be a good logo but I am sure someone might find it politically insensitive.  Wouldn't want to insult the heritage of someone with a name like...well, i don't know...let's say ....  'gro

[XDragon59]

So....how about some east regional playoff discussion.  How does Cortland stop Curry's QB?

Very simple, by knocking him on his azz early and often.  When we rattle his cage it will throw off their entire offense. 

[K-Mack]

TGP responded to this on the ATN

I did see that after I posted here. Good looking out, I can always count on the LLPP, etc.

[clandfan]

So....how about some east regional playoff discussion.  How does Cortland stop Curry's QB?

Very simple, by knocking him on his azz early and often.  When we rattle his cage it will throw off their entire offense. 

I agree but we haven't shown much of an ability to do that this year.  We have had moments but statistically our harrassment of the QB has been subpar.

[clandfan]

When we have generated a rush we have had no containment and the QB runs for first downs.  This is a much more difficult matchup than PSU was.

[union89]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about the playing of everyone by St. John Fisher. With SJF traveling 10 hours to the game and having to pick up its own tab (unlike an NCAA game, where the NCAA pays the travel expenses for 52 people and 10 coaches/support staff), I can see why SJF might've chosen to take this route. I would have to think the travel roster was somewhere in the 52-man range the NCAA provides, so it's not like they were playing 100 kids.

Oh, I totally understand your point.  I am also not saying that the Fisher staff necessarily did the wrong thing by playing 2nd stringers.  My only point is that there is no way the playing time would have been sliced up this way if it were a 'true' Postseason game.

Has anyone defined a "true" play-off game?  Obviously, an ECAC game is not a NCAA play-off game.  But it is a game....which is an opportunity to compete....which is an opportunity to preapare, work hard, create a lasting memory, bond with teammates, take one last bus-ride/road-trip....and WIN!  Who can argue against that?  If you argue against that, you either never played the game, never appreciated the game you played or are simply voicing an opinion in this vacuum called "Post Patterns"

If there is a game, and you are in it....you take it seriously and play to win.  To suggest that SJF didnt take the game seriously while pretending that you know the team is ignorant. 

Like someone said....52 players playing is not exactly like suiting up the 3rd string JV player who hasnt played a down yet.  It is called a TEAM for a reason.  It's kinda like with injuries.  Someone has to step in with no excuses.  Are the Patriots not taking things seriously because they stuck by Cassel, an unproven unknown, instead of going after a back-up with experience somewhere...ie:Culpepper?   

SJF won the game with the team they put on the field.  Is it ok for the coaches to reason that they could accomplish many desired goals in that game:  play the seniors
            compete
            have fun
            WIN???

Nobody said that the ECAC is the equivalent of the NCAA!  But those who are suggesting that a game, where there are real winners and losers, and real memories being etched that will last a lifetime, doesnt really matter, are morons!!!

Is a million dollars money to Bill Gates?  No   But it is to me!   When I was a senior on a program that I helped build from 0-9 (2tds on the whole season) to a program that went 7-3, beating the likes of a solid RPI team, beating a very good Catholic team on the road, among others....you better believe a whole bunch of us gathered at Coach V's office to await the telephone call from the ECAC committee...unfortunately it never came.  But as I posted a couple weeks ago...our last regualr season game was a victory which helps lessen the sting over time.  To say that you would reather win NCAA than lose ECAC is a bit narrow.  Obviously I would rather be in the position that got the NCAA berth (sure the ride to get there was more fun than the ride to an ECAC berth), but when it is all said and done...ask IC seniors if they would rather be SJF Seniors yesterday morning? 

82, I wasn't taking a shot at the Fisher program when I questioned playing 2nd stringers.  A lot of people have stated all the positives an ECAC victory can do for a program......My question is, if there is that much to gain, why risk losing the game by not putting your best players out there?

I would guess that the SJF staff was looking at the game as a fun experience for the players....nothing wrong with that.  On the flipside, a backup would not have seen the field if this were an NCAA game unless Fisher were up by 35 in the 4th.

An NCAA game is Postseason and matters more.......An ECAC game is an exhibition much the same way a preseason game is.....