East Region Playoff Discussion

[XDragon59]

When we have generated a rush we have had no containment and the QB runs for first downs.  This is a much more difficult matchup than PSU was.

Well I wish I could see tape of them, I noticed that their QB had the most carries on their team.  Are they some sort of hybrid option team?  I am not sure how I would game plan them until I saw what they ran.  I noticed their FB had a lot of carries and they had several FBs on the roster so I am wondering if they ran triple option.  Has anyone seen them?

[Frank Rossi]

Agreed! AGAIN! 

Just landed home for Thanksgiving, so I wanna catch up in a single post -- First to pg04 on the above, I'm attempting to defend the honor of the 14 teams that participated in some strong matchups this past weekend,  and the teams that have played ECAC games with dignity and honor prior to this year.  My arguments against his manufactured concepts have nothing to do with my distaste for how he's carried himself this season with respect to Union.  You guys always seem to let him off the hook when I ask him to explain himself -- this is the point when he starts his finger pointing and ranting against me.  Just once, maybe, hold him accountable for some of his off-base statements.  Lord knows you guys always jump on my comments if you smell the least bit of odor coming from them!

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pg, thanks for the kudos on the LLPP re: "In the HuddLLe" -- it's been a pleasure for both myself and RT to put that together this season.

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K-Mack, it does ooze in sarcasm (ask me, I'm Italian -- sarcasm is next to the bottle of hair grease in my bathroom cabinet).  It would've been a lot different if you had said, "Things could be worse, though -- Lycoming would have the same path, except they have to visit a torn up Boswell Field."  That being said, I don't think it was worth trouncing you over, if that's what the parent has done.

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U89...Since I'm back home in Ballston Spa for the week, I'm more than happy to sit down with Union's AD and listen to whatever he might have to say about things -- although, he'd need to be prepared to hear what I have to say on the other end of that.  Since you seem so keenly aware of his feelings, I'll leave it up to you to arrange such a meeting if you think it would help resolve issues between you and me and between me and him.  I'm available all day Tuesday and during the morning on Wednesday.  

However, to answer your question from earlier, I did have a communication with him in late September after he decided to, without asking me in private about the show, send a batch email to the Liberty League Commissioner calling his attention to "In the HuddLLe" before we even broadcast our first show.  I still am not sure why he felt the need to inform the Commissioner since it was not a Union College issue, but I respectfully responded that we were test marketing the show at first and fully intended to get the Commish on board after we had some hard numbers to present to him -- and I asked him to feel free to contact me in private next time he had any concerns of that variety.

[Frank Rossi]

An NCAA game is Postseason and matters more.......An ECAC game is an exhibition much the same way a preseason game is.....

Except, there's no such thing as a preseason game in college football -- so that analogy doesn't exactly hold water.

[Edit:  Oh, and actually, an ECAC game is played, literally, POST SEASON.  It's a postseason game by definition.]

[union89]

Agreed! AGAIN! 

Just landed home for Thanksgiving, so I wanna catch up in a single post -- First to pg04 on the above, I'm attempting to defend the honor of the 14 teams that participated in some strong matchups this past weekend,  and the teams that have played ECAC games with dignity and honor prior to this year.  My arguments against his manufactured concepts have nothing to do with my distaste for how he's carried himself this season with respect to Union.  You guys always seem to let him off the hook when I ask him to explain himself -- this is the point when he starts his finger pointing and ranting against me.  Just once, maybe, hold him accountable for some of his off-base statements.  Lord knows you guys always jump on my comments if you smell the least bit of odor coming from them!

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pg, thanks for the kudos on the LLPP re: "In the HuddLLe" -- it's been a pleasure for both myself and RT to put that together this season.

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K-Mack, it does ooze in sarcasm (ask me, I'm Italian -- sarcasm is next to the bottle of hair grease in my bathroom cabinet).  It would've been a lot different if you had said, "Things could be worse, though -- Lycoming would have the same path, except they have to visit a torn up Boswell Field."  That being said, I don't think it was worth trouncing you over, if that's what the parent has done.

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U89...Since I'm back home in Ballston Spa for the week, I'm more than happy to sit down with Union's AD and listen to whatever he might have to say about things -- although, he'd need to be prepared to hear what I have to say on the other end of that.  Since you seem so keenly aware of his feelings, I'll leave it up to you to arrange such a meeting if you think it would help resolve issues between you and me and between me and him.  I'm available all day Tuesday and during the morning on Wednesday.  

However, to answer your question from earlier, I did have a communication with him in late September after he decided to, without asking me in private about the show, send a batch email to the Liberty League Commissioner calling his attention to "In the HuddLLe" before we even broadcast our first show.  I still am not sure why he felt the need to inform the Commissioner since it was not a Union College issue, but I respectfully responded that we were test marketing the show at first and fully intended to get the Commish on board after we had some hard numbers to present to him -- and I asked him to feel free to contact me in private next time he had any concerns of that variety.

I am again going to try to ignore you, but for the record I have never spoken to....or for the Union AD on any of these topics.

This is Frank once again putting words in my mouth.

[Frank Rossi]

I am again going to try to ignore you, but for the record I have never spoken to or for the Union AD on any of these topics.

This is Frank once again putting words in my mouth.

Well, it seems that you've stated that I haven't spoken with him about my concerns.  How else would you deduce that or suggest that, unless you're talking out of your donkey?

I've asked you to call me twice and asked you to go ahead and set up a meeting with the Union AD since you are suggesting it might help matters.  I'm thoroughly confused as to why you refuse to do any of the above.

[clandfan]

When we have generated a rush we have had no containment and the QB runs for first downs.  This is a much more difficult matchup than PSU was.

Well I wish I could see tape of them, I noticed that their QB had the most carries on their team.  Are they some sort of hybrid option team?  I am not sure how I would game plan them until I saw what they ran.  I noticed their FB had a lot of carries and they had several FBs on the roster so I am wondering if they ran triple option.  Has anyone seen them?

We will know soon enough with some OJT as we did last weekend, I suppose.  We lost track of the QB on the option in the first few series but he got very little after that. 

I hope we can get after the QB...our secondary needs help.

[clandfan]

I am again going to try to ignore you, but for the record I have never spoken to or for the Union AD on any of these topics.

This is Frank once again putting words in my mouth.

Well, it seems that you've stated that I haven't spoken with him about my concerns.  How else would you deduce that or suggest that, unless you're talking out of your donkey?

I've asked you to call me twice and asked you to go ahead and set up a meeting with the Union AD since you are suggesting it might help matters.  I'm thoroughly confused as to why you refuse to do any of the above.

OK guys...I am trying unsuccessfully to ignore both of you which is sad because I usually appreciate what you have to offer.  Why don't you take the tit for tat to email because it sounds personal at this point and, while I can't speak for anyone but myself, it has become quite tedious.

[Frank Rossi]

I am again going to try to ignore you, but for the record I have never spoken to or for the Union AD on any of these topics.

This is Frank once again putting words in my mouth.

Well, it seems that you've stated that I haven't spoken with him about my concerns.  How else would you deduce that or suggest that, unless you're talking out of your donkey?

I've asked you to call me twice and asked you to go ahead and set up a meeting with the Union AD since you are suggesting it might help matters.  I'm thoroughly confused as to why you refuse to do any of the above.

OK guys...I am trying unsuccessfully to ignore both of you which is sad because I usually appreciate what you have to offer.  Why don't you take the tit for tat to email because it sounds personal at this point and, while I can't speak for anyone but myself, it has become quite tedious.

I'M TRYING.

[dlippiel]

OK, real reason I stopped by.

Was any Hobart or LL fan particularly put off by this?:

Toughest path to Salem
Hobart hasn't gotten enough attention for what it's done this season, and being mentioned here isn't really for the right reason either. Should the Statesmen get past three-loss Lycoming at home, they would travel to Mount Union. Then even with a stunning upset, they could still have to get through Ithaca or Cortland State and the North Central Bracket champion for a Stagg Bowl appearance. So, yeah, enjoy that home game.

I didn't think it was bad, especially taken as a whole, but there's a Hobart parent who vehemently disagrees. Put off mostly by the last line.

It's to the point where I haven't opened his latest reply, because I know me, and I'm not good at letting someone else have the last word, so if I read it, it'll never end.

I don't really have a problem with it. I think parents need to view the site, especially the message boards with both eyes open and realize they are going to read something somewhere that bothers them. Honestly if my son were playing I would take four years off from the boards and I am addicted! In some ways it is true and if I am being honest with myself I could see myself making that comment about another team. Let's just hope Bart can go to alliance and give the Raiders a game! Got tons and tons of respect for that program!

Let's Go Bart!

[SJFF82]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about the playing of everyone by St. John Fisher. With SJF traveling 10 hours to the game and having to pick up its own tab (unlike an NCAA game, where the NCAA pays the travel expenses for 52 people and 10 coaches/support staff), I can see why SJF might've chosen to take this route. I would have to think the travel roster was somewhere in the 52-man range the NCAA provides, so it's not like they were playing 100 kids.

Oh, I totally understand your point.  I am also not saying that the Fisher staff necessarily did the wrong thing by playing 2nd stringers.  My only point is that there is no way the playing time would have been sliced up this way if it were a 'true' Postseason game.

82, I wasn't taking a shot at the Fisher program when I questioned playing 2nd stringers.  A lot of people have stated all the positives an ECAC victory can do for a program......My question is, if there is that much to gain, why risk losing the game by not putting your best players out there?

I would guess that the SJF staff was looking at the game as a fun experience for the players....nothing wrong with that.  On the flipside, a backup would not have seen the field if this were an NCAA game unless Fisher were up by 35 in the 4th.

An NCAA game is Postseason and matters more.......An ECAC game is an exhibition much the same way a preseason game is.....

I hear ya...its just that you seem to be foreclosing the possibility that the game (an ECAC game) could could represent something more in the middle.  There is no doubt that the game should be fun without as much postseason hardware at stake, so to speak.  However, I feel safe 'betting' that SJF's staff and players were playing to win and were probably pretty confident that the game could be won with the way they went about substituting players...and they turned out to be right. 

[lewdogg11]

'It's an anology, not a hypothetical.'

'An ECAC game is played, literally, POST SEASON.  It's a postseason game by definition.'

My Dad can beat up your Dad.

Jesus Christ!!!!  Someone spare me!!!!  HOW ARE YOU SOOO DAMN SMART!!!  JUST SHUTUP PLEASE!!!  

One man you are NOT smarter than...



I'll take blind Eddie over FR in a battle of wits any day.

[dlippiel]

I am again going to try to ignore you, but for the record I have never spoken to or for the Union AD on any of these topics.

This is Frank once again putting words in my mouth.

Well, it seems that you've stated that I haven't spoken with him about my concerns.  How else would you deduce that or suggest that, unless you're talking out of your donkey?

I've asked you to call me twice and asked you to go ahead and set up a meeting with the Union AD since you are suggesting it might help matters.  I'm thoroughly confused as to why you refuse to do any of the above.

Let's go the three of us and meet. I would love to ask questions and recieve answers from the AD. I'll bring a container of my frozen sauce and home made meatballs and SAUSAGE! Let's hang for the holidays boys and have a good old fashioned medeation with food and stuff! You guys are both seemingly to cool to let this go I just hope you guys can get along again. I think deep down you both care so much for the program and really want what is best for it.

[dlippiel]

'It's an anology, not a hypothetical.'

'An ECAC game is played, literally, POST SEASON.  It's a postseason game by definition.'

My Dad can beat up your Dad.

Jesus Christ!!!!  Someone spare me!!!!  HOW ARE YOU SOOO DAMN SMART!!!  JUST SHUTUP PLEASE!!!  

One man you are NOT smarter than...



I'll take blind Eddie over FR in a battle of wits any day.

Lew you need some type of award for funniest, craziest, and maybe mean pics ever. I just snarfed my decalf tea seeing that post. I remember watching that dude and my wife and I were both like "I don't care how smart he is we kind of feel bad for him." Hopefully he made some good loot on that show for his smarts, can't remember specifics.

[SJFF82]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about the playing of everyone by St. John Fisher. With SJF traveling 10 hours to the game and having to pick up its own tab (unlike an NCAA game, where the NCAA pays the travel expenses for 52 people and 10 coaches/support staff), I can see why SJF might've chosen to take this route. I would have to think the travel roster was somewhere in the 52-man range the NCAA provides, so it's not like they were playing 100 kids.

Oh, I totally understand your point.  I am also not saying that the Fisher staff necessarily did the wrong thing by playing 2nd stringers.  My only point is that there is no way the playing time would have been sliced up this way if it were a 'true' Postseason game.

......My question is, if there is that much to gain, why risk losing the game by not putting your best players out there?

good question...except I do not believe anyone was implying that there was some objective thing to gain from the ECAC game...other than the obvious...to win.  You cant gain anything else...there is no next game.  This game is the Seniors last game and luckily with it comes some hardware.  Its kinda like a bonus game, not a consolation game.  Especially if you lost your last game, especially in heartbreak fashion the way SJF did to AU the previous week.

My question to you is:  you are not serious that you would rather lose NCAA 1st round than win an ECAC game?  I agree that I would rather take my shot at winning the NCAA game even if i knew that the ECAC was a lock win, but how could you say that as a Football Senior (for example) that you rather end your career with a loss instead of a win?  Again, I wish some SJF seniors and IC seniors could chime in...this 'moral dilemma' is fresh and front and center for them right now.

[lewdogg11]

'It's an anology, not a hypothetical.'

'An ECAC game is played, literally, POST SEASON.  It's a postseason game by definition.'

My Dad can beat up your Dad.

Jesus Christ!!!!  Someone spare me!!!!  HOW ARE YOU SOOO DAMN SMART!!!  JUST SHUTUP PLEASE!!!  

One man you are NOT smarter than...



I'll take blind Eddie over FR in a battle of wits any day.

Lew you need some type of award for funniest, craziest, and maybe mean pics ever. I just snarfed my decalf tea seeing that post. I remember watching that dude and my wife and I were both like "I don't care how smart he is we kind of feel bad for him." Hopefully he made some good loot on that show for his smarts, can't remember specifics.

Eddie is me, 'Gro, and PC's boy.