Gagliardi Trophy

ScheckDiesel · November 20, 2006, 11:38:18 AM

When will the Gagliardi finalists be announced?

repete · November 21, 2006, 01:27:28 AM

They wait until the Mellenberger finalists come out so they don't miss anybody ... or at least don't miss anybody from Wilkes-Barre ...

Seriously, last season it was right before Thanksgiving so it might be any time now.

Pat Coleman · November 21, 2006, 03:29:44 AM

mere minutes, in fact. Check the front page.

AnotherJohnnie · November 21, 2006, 04:57:17 PM

http://www.melbergeraward.com/winner_2005.html

Looks like te Melberger is at least given out to someone again. They had the right winner and runners up last year (in my opinion). It looks like the banquet, etc is gone, but is this a legit award again?

K-Mack · November 21, 2006, 10:02:23 PM

Looks like it had a good one-year comeback, but it's got a long way to go to match the consistency and prestige of Gagliardi. Don't you agree?

I will have some thoughts on this year's Gagliardi field in ATN, which should be going up tomorrow (Weds.)

AnotherJohnnie · November 21, 2006, 10:09:08 PM

Quote from: K-Mack on November 21, 2006, 10:02:23 PM
Looks like it had a good one-year comeback, but it's got a long way to go to match the consistency and prestige of Gagliardi. Don't you agree?

I will have some thoughts on this year's Gagliardi field in ATN, which should be going up tomorrow (Weds.)

I do agree, but I found it interesting that it made a comeback after a couple of years without a winner.

K-Mack · November 21, 2006, 10:53:04 PM

Me too.

You may want to read the Melberger Rears Its Ugly Head Once Again thread, if you haven't already, if you're looking for opinions on the Melberger.

Pat Coleman · November 22, 2006, 03:28:18 AM

Quote from: AnotherJohnnie on November 21, 2006, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on November 21, 2006, 10:02:23 PM
Looks like it had a good one-year comeback, but it's got a long way to go to match the consistency and prestige of Gagliardi. Don't you agree?

I will have some thoughts on this year's Gagliardi field in ATN, which should be going up tomorrow (Weds.)

I do agree, but I found it interesting that it made a comeback after a couple of years without a winner.

There was a winner for 2003, 2004 and 2005. They appear to have disavowed those winners!

Daniel Pincelli, Hartwick
Brett Trichilo, Wilkes
Brett Trichilo, Wilkes

Note the hometown/backyard pick two years in a row!

AnotherJohnnie · November 22, 2006, 09:32:03 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2006, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: AnotherJohnnie on November 21, 2006, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on November 21, 2006, 10:02:23 PM
Looks like it had a good one-year comeback, but it's got a long way to go to match the consistency and prestige of Gagliardi. Don't you agree?

I will have some thoughts on this year's Gagliardi field in ATN, which should be going up tomorrow (Weds.)

I do agree, but I found it interesting that it made a comeback after a couple of years without a winner.

There was a winner for 2003, 2004 and 2005. They appear to have disavowed those winners!

Daniel Pincelli, Hartwick
Brett Trichilo, Wilkes
Brett Trichilo, Wilkes

Note the hometown/backyard pick two years in a row!

Actually it's 2002-2004 that don't appear readily, but 2002 is burried a few clicks deep. From the top level you just get the 2001 winner when you click on 2002, but then if you keep clicking, you do get 2002.

http://www.melbergeraward.com/winner_2002.html

They obviously messed up the award, but it is a slap in the face of the individuals who were picked to wipe out any record of having given out the award for those years; I'm sure they were good football players.

K-Mack · November 23, 2006, 04:08:40 AM

Quote from: AnotherJohnnie on November 22, 2006, 09:32:03 AMThey obviously messed up the award, but it is a slap in the face of the individuals who were picked to wipe out any record of having given out the award for those years; I'm sure they were good football players.

I agree. I think that says almost as much about the award and possibly the leadership behind it as it does the fact that they gave it to who they gave it to.

I think the best way to handle it would have been to have some sort of explanation/disclaimer saying "From xxxx to 2001, The Melberger Award was given to the best candidate in all of Division III blah blah blah. From 2002-04, the Touchdown Club refocused its efforts to make it more of a regional award. In 2005, the leadership aimed to make the Melberger a national award again, and it continues on that path today."

That may not be exactly what happened, but I think there is a way to be truthful about what happened without disrespecting Pincelli and Trichilo, who were, as you said, fine football players and deserving nominees.

I know you maybe don't want to draw attention to those years, but you can't pretend they didn't happen.

crusader26 · November 24, 2006, 12:34:04 AM

Keith:

When reading your ATN this week, you made a statement within the article I found odd:

"There were other players – possible all-Americans – who are not on the Gagliardi list, for whatever reason: Occidental QB Andy Collins, Whitworth QB Joel Clark and TE Michael Allan, Mary Hardin-Baylor S Josh Kubiak, Rowan QB Mike Orihel. Just the fact that no one from Mount Union, St. John's or Rowan is a finalist could be surprising."

The biggest surprise to this was the fact the Capital QB Rocky Pentello was not a finalist for whatever reason?? A possible All-American, OPY & 1st Team All-OAC selection, one would of thought he would be a finalist for this award...but I may be bias to the fact I am a Cap Grad...

K-Mack · November 27, 2006, 01:06:03 AM

Yep,
Pentello.

I forgot Mark Robinson of St. John Fisher too.

I think part of it is you have to be nominated. And I know the selection process is very detailed. The Gagliardi materials state very clearly that academics and community service are part of the criteria, but are to be used as tiebreakers when football talent alone doesn't solve your vote ... i.e. The Gagliardi Trophy is first and foremost a football award.

So there were some names missing from the list, no doubt, if you're thinking of the 10 most accomplished, if not most talented, Division III players in the land.

But I am also confident that the Gagliardi Committee looks much more closely at the candidates than I have so far. I think it's safe to say they know what they're doing.

crusader26 · November 27, 2006, 10:22:23 PM

Quote from: K-Mack on November 27, 2006, 01:06:03 AM
Yep,
Pentello.

I forgot Mark Robinson of St. John Fisher too.

I think part of it is you have to be nominated. And I know the selection process is very detailed. The Gagliardi materials state very clearly that academics and community service are part of the criteria, but are to be used as tiebreakers when football talent alone doesn't solve your vote ... i.e. The Gagliardi Trophy is first and foremost a football award.

So there were some names missing from the list, no doubt, if you're thinking of the 10 most accomplished, if not most talented, Division III players in the land.

But I am also confident that the Gagliardi Committee looks much more closely at the candidates than I have so far. I think it's safe to say they know what they're doing.

Let's be honest, we could write on here back & forth all day...every year, someone misses the boat for whatever reason!! As I stated, I am bias towards Cap...it just would have been nice for Rocky to add another piece of something to his resume before sailing out to sea (after we beat MUC & head to the Stagg of course)

usee · December 03, 2006, 10:28:56 PM

I have heard Kniss lead the voting over Brehm from Alma as of late Thursday. Friday was the deadline for votes and they will anounce the winner early next week.

K-Mack · December 04, 2006, 01:34:21 AM

I didn't know they revealed that info. Must be an inside source, huh usee?

I voted on Thursday night, so mine was received Friday.

I'm afraid my top guy doesn't play a glamour position and may not get the recognition he deserves by the voters on the committee who haven't paid extra-close attention to his impact this season.

That said, I was pretty high on Kniss and Brehm on the 10-9-8-6-7-5-4-3-2-1 scale.

Frankly, I read all 10 packets, and had I not known any of these guys from Adam (luckily I do, and have even talked to some of them face-to-face), some would really have pulled ahead of other based on the strength of the endorsement from their coach and president. In fact, I will say that was a factor, although I tried to play it down in the sense that who has the slickest packet shouldn't be the lone factor, but then again who has the gaudiest stats shouldn't be either.
So I tried to read between the lines to find the most impactful player who also embodies what is great about Division III football, and then I did them in that order. And of course it stinks because the 10th guy, you feel like you're dissing him, and he's a pretty damn good student-athlete.

Anyway, this was my first year as a voter, so all of that was new to me.

I was afraid the D-Linemen and Safeties might not get the recognition from the more general voters on the committee; but maybe they will. Wesley safety Rocky Myers won it two years ago, after all.

I guess we should find out something about Kniss vs. Brehm on Tuesday, given they're both North Region guys (as are Murray, Brew and Otte).

Dec. 5 is the listed date for the announcement of the four regional finalists.

South: Neal, HSU
East: Haas, Cortland or Arcidiacono, Union
West: Kleppe, UWW, Carr, Bethel
North: Kniss, Brehm, Murray, Otte, Brew

Any news on the Melberger?