FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[KYGrizzly]

KYGrizzly:
You missed the second sentence of Rule #2:  "Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken."  In your first scenario, you continue on to games against Anderson (then Bluffton, then Manchester, if needed) before moving on to #3.  Defiance beat Anderson, Franklin lost.  In your second scenario, after checking results against Anderson, you move on to Franklin (then Bluffton, then Machester).

Like I said I may have interpreted the rules wrong like in the past. Well, actually it was more not reading the whole rule, similar to what I do when listening to my wife.  

I know I said I was done ranting, but you bring up two more things (1 directly, 1 indirectly).  First, do you break ties at lower places first?  Second, when one team is eliminated in a multi-team tie, do you move on to the next rule or start over with #1?  The Men's Basketball tiebreaking rules address these things.  The Football tiebreakers do not (at least, not as published on the website).

I had a feeling these questions were going to be brought up.

[Mr. Ypsi]

SOP in most conferences is that once a team (in a 3-way tie) is eliminated, the tie-breaking process reverts to #1 - head-to-head of the two remaining.  Whether or not this is the procedure in the HCAC, I don't know.  But if this SOP is followed, I will now yield to altor that #3 and #4 are irrelevant.

[70_dc_alum]

speaking of polls...2 weeks ago Tennesee destroys Georgia yet Georgia is ranked 24th and Tenessee is ranked 25th last week.  i agree at times it is correct to have 1 team who lost ranked above the team that beat them LSU/KY, but not back to back in the rankings

[dc_has_been]

Nice plug again for the HCAC in the around the region column about Franklin & Luke Dillon of DC.

[altor]

Congratulations, we successfully went 24 hours without a post.  I'll get the discussion started for this weekend's games.

I really overestimated Manchester and Rose last week and really underestimated Hanover and Bluffton.  Then, with MSJ and Franklin coming off a big game, it's always hard to figure out whether teams will use the previous week as a reason to "get up" this week.  Or will they dwell on it and come out flat?  This kinda goes for both the winner and loser of a big game like that.

I think all four games this week have the potential to come down to the wire, though the favorites are obvious in three of them. 

Defiance by 14 at home over Hanover.
MSJ travels to Manchester and wins by 17.
Franklin travels to Rose-Hulman and leaves with a 13 point win.
Bluffton finally gets the monkey off their back and beats Anderson at home by 3.

Unfortunately, I will not be near a computer or Internet connection during game time on Saturday, so no score updates from me.  If I'm lucky, I might be able to turn on the radio occasionally to get a DC score.  I will try to compile stats later in the evening, similar to what I did last week, at least until people tell me to knock it off.

[Adam Sayer]

I think MSJ will win by 21 or more. I'm leaning towards the more. This isn't like they have been 10-0 every season from 2004 till now. They've had loses during the year and know how to bounce back. Plus, I think the realization that 9-1 is a must for any type of chance, has fully settled. I think MSJ will win 42-17.

I will say this. RHIT played MSJ tougher in the first half than FC did. MSJ was lucky to lead 21-20 and not be down 20-0. The second half was a different issue. If RHIT can put together 2 halves of a football game here, and FC is looking ahead, FC will lose. I'm not really counting on it though.

[SaintsFAN]

who is RHIT?  (PAUSE) I don't believe you.  And how the hell did they get on our league schedule?  Forget the game of pool, the 8-ball is nowhere in sight this shot. . .Does Rupp still want a day off?

Sincerely,


Mike Leonard

[M and L]

If I were a beaten man I take all three team to cover and then some

[Pat Coleman]

How many losses do you need to be a beaten man?

[victorybell_57]

that was a funny comment, but i am positive leonard respects all of his opponents. for sure they'll be ready.

[Adam Sayer]

you all think I'm kiddin.

I will be attending my first real game at The Horseshoe on Saturday. I've worked concessions, went to the spring game, but I have never sat in the stands for a real game. Shocking I know.

[JacketsFan]

I agree with Bob. Though I find the taste of humble pie unpleasant, even when served with liberal amounts of ice cream, I think the sleeper and possible spoiler for Franklin could end up being Defiance. I will be the first to admit that I predicted a dismal season for DC based on what I saw in the first couple of games and what appeared to me to be a lackluster attitude and an absence of cohesion and purpose on the team. That picture has changed in recent weeks. Coach Taylor has done a great job of pulling them together and I commend him for it. If Vetter continues perform in the groove he's apparently at long last found, this team is going to feed off the excitement and enthusiasm being generated by Lucas Dillon, who is, in my opinion, perhaps an even better wide receiver than Andy Wellendorf (Sorry, Adam). Dillon's weekly performance is going to embolden fellow wideouts Gary Allen and Nate Fitton and make them more formidable. The explosive emergence of David Thornton, the freshman running back, has rounded out this Yellow Jacket offense and, for the first time in how many years, it's finally three-dimensional. Vetter has to stay on task for this formula to continue to gain momentum, but if he does, there might be no stopping DC's offense. I don't think MSJ has the horsepower on D to do it this year and I'm not confident that Franklin does either.

DC's defense is going to have to step it up and stop giving up the big plays. That's where Franklin has the ability to wax them. It's going to be very hard to run against DC's defense but if they can't stop Rupp, they're done. Can Rupp be stopped? Good question. No one has so far. DC gave up 30-plus to RHIT. If they play that kind of game defensively against Franklin, they'll get scorched. I don't think the Jackets can win an offensive shootout with Franklin. They're going to have to come in with an amped up defense. If they do, they can win.

I certainly don't think MSJ is in decline, but it may be the shine is off them this year, particularly if they let the loss to Franklin get in their heads. On the other hand, they could turn a loss to Franklin into a renewed sense of purpose against DC. They're still dangerous.

At this point, I still think the balance for the conference championship is still tipped in favor of Franklin but depending on what happens in the next week or two, that could change.

But first, Hanover.

[SaintsFAN]

you all think I'm kiddin.

I will be attending my first real game at The Horseshoe on Saturday. I've worked concessions, went to the spring game, but I have never sat in the stands for a real game. Shocking I know.

Christ Adam, so I'm a bigger Ohio State fan than you are (based on number of times viewing a game in the shoe)??

Seriously, I just found a couple buckeye necklaces if you want to stop by and pick them up tonight.  I'm just going to need about 20 minutes notice before you stop by. 


By the way, Thomas More has a TOUGH game tomorrow against Geneva.  They, as you may or may not know, still have players left over from being an NAIA scholly operation.  They played W&J tough and looks to be a hard hitting game.  I'm curious to see how our young guys will respond.

[formerd3db]

SaintsFAN:

BTW, speaking of Geneva, why do you think they decided to go DIII?  Is it because it allowed them to decrease their costs of the program by eliminating scholarships (and also perhaps travel expenses)??  Them coming in, though, seems to be a great situation for their school and other regional DIII schools.  Just curious as to if you know and/or your general thoughts anyway.

[nittanybacker]

The only time I had been to the Horseshoe was for a State Track finals.  That was enough for me I had to take a shower to clean the filth off of me.  That was before they renovated it and it did look like it was going to fall down.