FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[M and L]

Sayer, I agree with you on Number 4

It all so hurts your team when your draft picks get suspended for inapropriate behavior and arrest.   Reffering back to your pt of #1, who picks these guys and who is supposed to keep them in line.

Why did we franchise tag Justin Smith instead of going out and trying to Jason Taylor?

[SaintsFAN]

There's VERY much an east coast bias in the NFL.  Go Colts on Saturday.  I hope they get a chance to run it up on the Patriots.


Sayer, I hope this isn't Navy's year.  Their bad loss last week to Delaware, I think will show ND what gameplan they need to use. 

If they lose this weekend to the Midshipmen, you're going to see upheaval in South Bend...as they Honeymoon will officially be over.

[Adam Sayer]

Tom Brady isn't doing what Peyton Manning did. He's blowing up what peyton Manning has already done. He's on pace to pass for 60 TD's and a Qb rating of 136. That's above and beyong Peyton Manning.

Did anyone else know that Troy Aikman's season high for TD's was only 23?

[formerd3db]

SaintsFAN:

If that happens, do you think that Weis will get the "heave-ho"?  Or will they give him another year?  Seems to me, they should be consistent with how they've treated/handled some of the previous coaches, but then again, you never know.

[fc_alum_84]

I agree that statistically Brady is doing more of what Manning has been doing but he not doing anything any different other than his receivers are catching more balls and running for more yards.  The question is why is this happening.  NE IMO just has the perfect mix of a top notch offensive line, good QB and top receivers to go along with a good defense.  The remaining question is how good is the Colts defense against NE. The Pats have not faced a top defense yet that can pressure the QB.  Can NE run if the pass is shut down?  Most likely they will beat the Colts (I am a Colts season ticket holder  sold three seats in the upper sidelines for 300 each btw) but I dont see that they are innovative.

[fc_alum_84]

FC amd MSJ move into AFCA DIII poll.  still not sure why MSJ is ranked ahead of FC but most likely due to lack of analysis of head to head (particularly that far down the list)


1. Mount Union (Ohio) (39) 8-0 997 1 D. No. 14 Capital (Ohio), 37-0 Nov. 3 at John Carroll (Ohio) 
2. St. John's (Minn.) (1) 9-0 936 3 D. St. Thomas (Minn.), 51-34 Nov. 10 at Bethel (Minn.) 
3. Wis.-Whitewater 7-1 935 4 D. No. 2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas), 41-14 Nov. 3 at Wis.-Stout
4. Wheaton (Ill.) 8-0 875 5 D. Elmhurst (Ill.), 48-7 Nov. 3 vs. Carthage (Wis.) 
5. Central (Iowa) 9-0 827 6 D. Cornell (Iowa), 40-14 Nov. 10 at No. 14 Wartburg (Iowa) 
6. Washington & Jefferson (Pa.) 8-0 782 7 D. No. 21 Waynesburg (Pa.), 22-21 Nov. 3 at Thomas More (Ky.) 
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)  7-1 726 2 Lost to No. 4 Wis.-Whitewater, 41-14 Nov. 3 vs. East Texas Baptist
8. Wabash (Ind.) 8-0 706 9 D. Wooster (Ohio), 21-0 Nov. 3 vs. Denison (Ohio) 
9. Wesley (Del.) 8-1 681 11 D. No. 8 Salisbury (Md.), 20-13 Nov. 10 at Morrisville St. (N.Y.) 
10. St. John Fisher (N.Y.) 8-1 635 10 D. Utica (N.Y.), 38-0 Nov. 10 vs. No. 22 Alfred (N.Y.) 
11. St. Norbert (Wis.) 9-0 507 15 D. Beloit (Wis.), 55-9 Nov. 3 at Illinois College
12. Muhlenberg (Pa.) 8-0 485 17 D. Dickinson (Pa.), 29-24 Nov. 3 at Ursinus (Pa.) 
13. Rensselaer (N.Y.) 7-0 480 16 D. Worcester Tech (Mass.), 21-14 (2OT) Nov. 3 vs. Rochester (N.Y.) 
14. Wartburg (Iowa) 7-1 438 18 D. Simpson (Iowa), 41-5 Nov. 3 at Cornell (Iowa) 
15. Salisbury (Md.) 8-1 428 8 Lost No. 11 Wesley (Del.), 20-13 Nov. 10 vs. Frostburg St. (Md.) 
16. Trinity (Texas) 7-1 387 20 D. Millsaps (Miss.), 28-24 Nov. 3 vs. Centre (Ky.) 
17. Bethel (Minn.) 7-1 325 23 D. Hamline (Minn.), 28-13 Nov. 2 vs. Augsburg (Minn.) 
18. College of New Jersey 7-1 289 25 D. Cortland St. (N.Y.), 30-0 Nov. 3 at Buffalo St. (N.Y.) 
19. Linfield (Ore.) 5-2 236 24 D. Menlo (Calif.), 37-6 Nov. 3 at Whitworth (Wash.) 
20. Capital (Ohio) 6-2 216 14 Lost to No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 37-0 Nov. 3 at Muskingum (Ohio) 
21. Case Western Reserve (Ohio) 8-0 184 NR D. Chicago (Ill.), 35-3 Nov. 3. vs. Washington (Mo.) 
22. Alfred (N.Y.) 7-1 149 13 Lost to Hobart (N.Y.), 41-22 Nov. 3 at Ithaca (N.Y.) 
23. Mount St. Joseph (Ohio) 7-1 129 NR D. Defiance (Ohio), 10-0 Nov. 3 at Bluffton (Ohio) 
24. Franklin (Ind.) 7-1 106 NR D. Manchester (Ind.), 52-33 Nov. 3 vs. Defiance (Ohio) 
25. Waynesburg (Pa.) 7-1 102 21 Lost to No. 7 Washington & Jefferson (Pa.), 22-21

[Most Known, Unknown.]

I agree with Sayer. The 2004 team that MSJ had was a great team, with a good offensive coach, who put points up on the board. The Defense was good, and they had a great group of SR leadership! The Mount has always had some good defense, but to add an offense with that is scary. I would take the Mount 2003 defense though! If the offense would had put up some numbers like teams after them, then it would have been a more productive year. Defense was on the field in some games too long! Dietz was a good qb, but the 2003 game with MSJ came down to FG, and there was a suspect call of Pass Interference, on 3rd down home field advantage!
That year Anderson was really the only game that there was no chance, even though MSJ went up 7-0, but never got anything going after that. Steele was a great QB. I think the All-Star game in Mexico, could use a lot more people from the HCAC down there, amazing dorf did not go, its funny meeting people from all across the country, who played on successful teams etc, Just a thought!

As far, as Marvin Lewis. I agree that the heat is on him, but if they had an owner, who would be willing to spend some money on the big name free agents; then maybe, just maybe the defense could have gotten Warren Sapp, before he went to Oakland; the Defensive Line stinks; the Secondary is awful, and the Linebackers could be the strength of the team, if they were not hurt or suspended. Marvin has just lost control of this team, and the offense is not putting up big numbers! They are losing confidence in Chad Johnson; like the Lakers are losing face with Kobe! The Bengals are a damn embarrassment! Did you listen to Carson Palmer interview "We have great leadership in the locker room, and no one points the finger" ha bullsh**

its a damn rain storm down here on the west coast, where is the sun???

[Most Known, Unknown.]

Also I think the FC and DC game will be a good one, depending on what the mind state of DC will be, they lost a tough one, its seems like they have a good defense over at DC, and FC has a great offense, something has to give, either FC offense rolls all over DC defense, or DC defense stops FC offense, great game. My overall view is DC will hang for awhile. beacuse their will be alot of emotion built up for the game, but FC will pull it out in the 2nd half score: FC 28, DC 14, no upset here! MSJ 45, BC 7. MSJ tune up game before facing Hillvert and those TMC Boys. Hillvert will run his 4-4 defense, and bring pressure from the outside with his LB, he will play alot of cover 2, which will leave the middle open!

[fc_alum_84]

Taking a look at the regional rankings coupled with the D3 and AFCA rankings.  It appears Wabash is a solid # 3 seed and Franklin is slotted around 6. Possibly a rematch looms in 3 weeks?

MSJ may still be in the running for a 7 or 8 seed due to rankings, etc.

[altor]

Capital took their 2nd loss on Saturday.  They will be behind Franklin and possibly behind MSJ when the regional rankings come out tomorrow.  I'm serious when I say Franklin is a #4 or #5 at the moment.

[fc_alum_84]

All a 4 or 5 gets you is a direct path to a road game with Mt Union. 

[altor]

But it does get you a better chance at a Round 1 victory.  A 6 or 7 seed would have to go through both Wabash and Wheaton on the road before getting to MUC.  That's certainly not an easy task, though it might be easier than beating MUC.

[fc_alum_84]

this is from SMEDINDY on the North Coast Athletic board (Wabash):

Regional rankings are all that will matter in seeding, for the most part.

As I see it, the North seedings now would be:
1. Mount Union
2. Wheaton (Ill.)
3. Wabash
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Franklin
6. Mount St. Joseph
7. Hope
8. Concordia / Lakeland (Don't know the IBC tie-breaker)

But, the NCAA may move it to this based on travel:

Mt. U - Mt. St. Joe
Wheaton - IBC winner
Wabash - Hope
Case - Franklin

Bottom Line: MSJ still has a lot to play for. FC holds the advantage on strength of schedule and head to head (to win conference) but MSJ still has life.

[dc_has_been]

First of all for all of you Bengals fans, you can all stop complaining.  It is the same thing I say to all of my Patriots fans when the whine about not winning the Super Bowl every year.  Being a Lions fan, I feel that you can start complaining when you have a history like that.  Example 1 playoff win...EVER & never been to a Super Bowl & not have a winning season since 2000!!!  
Yes I do know they are currently 5-2 & happy about it, but I'm still going to be a little shakey till I see them put 8 wins.
On regards to the Patriots, they are just gross & if someone does beat them this year I will be impressed.
Concerning the playoffs, if Fraklin does so happen beat DC & win out, I would think they could at least be 4 seed if Wabash & MSJ finish 10-0 & 9-1.  Also MSJ I would think has a pretty good shot at making the playoffs as an 8 seed.  I still would like DC to beat Franklin of course so hopefully it does not work out w/ Franklin being an 8 seed anyway.

[Mr. Ypsi]

dc, IF MSJ makes the playoffs at all (as a C) they will most assuredly NOT be the 8th seed.  I can't recall any pool B or C team as an 8th seed - that spot seems annually reserved for AQs who are not in the rankings at all.  In the North, 7 and 8 are annually 'reserved' for the winners of the MIAA and IBC (in whichever order).  With CUW getting stomped by Greenville on Saturday, that pattern seems pretty certain to continue this year.  (Obviously, there have been exceptional years when an MIAA or IBC champ was seeded higher, but that has been the norm lately.)