FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Adam Sayer]

FC is for real and anyone in the HCAC that thinks otherwise is looking through rose colored glasses.

Considering the beatdown FC gave to everyone this year, I don't think anybody is going to say otherwise.  Now, finish it off against Hanover and then give the same beatdown in the playoffs.

This is what I was talking about.  The DC game was a beat down...yes, but not MSJ...which is what I believe Altor was leaning towards, though he didn't say it specifically. It was nothing you said FC_84. I will apologize because I thought the comment from Altor was by you (he was commenting on a quote by yourself). Hence, it came off to me as if you were tooting your horn and celebrating like it was 1988 again.

Regardless if he was in the endzone or he fumbled, the bottom line is MSJ didn't get the TD. If they go into half leading 14-7, it changes momentum and changes the playcalling at the end. Remember, MSJ went for 2 and didn't get it and they lost by 9. It's all ifs and buts and doesn't mean much and Maybe FC still wins, but the games's momentum definately changed after that play.

I gave FC congrats (ask JacketsFan about our conversation during the summer about MSJ and my concerns about having a new staff, new schemes, etc.) I believe I even said on here in the beginning that FC should be the favorite due to the changes at MSJ. I consider this to be an overacheivement by MSJ's coaching staff because it is damn hard to lose half a coaching staff from a 3 time conference champ, implemement new schemes, and get a team to adhere to new philosophies and really, not miss a beat. It's a tribute to the players and the coaches Rod brought int. SO...even though they didn't win the HCAC outright, they still have a shot to finish 9-1 and make the playoffs. Good luck in the playoffs, but as you will find, it's a different animal. This year things seem to be setting up great for the HCAC Champ (great for the conference as a whole).  So far you dont have to worry about playing the OAC or Wheaton in the 1st round. I'd take CWR anyday because I dont think they are that good.

[Adam Sayer]

You dont read any Mount Union guys coming in here and beating their chest?

They just show off their rings

[Most Known, Unknown.]

Congrats to FC for a dominant performance against a good Defense. It just shows that on any given Saturday you will be surprised on how a team will perform. I really thought that DC would make it a lot closer then the score indicated, but again what the hell do I know; that's why they play the game on the field and not behind the computer; just like Kansas hanging 76 points on Nebraska! Good job by MSJ to get another shut-out, and I made a previous comment on the 2003 defensive having consecutive shut-out against Bluffton and DC. I'm happy that MSJ is getting back to good solid football. What is THE likely hood that MSJ makes the playoffs with FC missing last year after going 9-1?? MSJ will be tested if they make the Play-off's because they will face a great team! Next week game should be a great one, the return of Jim Hillvert. I know coach Hubbie will have his guys up for the game!

[altor]

Sorry Adam.  My reply was directed at the fact that fc_alum_84 came in looking for a fight.  I was trying to point out that we are all grown men and acknowledge when our teams have been outperformed.  I was also trying to point out that this was not the place to be rubbing our noses in it.  Now that FC has beaten everybody in the conference (except Hanover...don't overlook that game), I think I can safely say that everybody in this forum is now rooting FOR Franklin and MSJ to represent this conference well.

[Most Known, Unknown.]

I was reading an old timer comment on here about being on here, for years etc. I have always been interested in what was going on here. I just never posted into now; my father has been on here for years reading post etc. As a fan. I like hearing what other has to say, even if I don't have the stars behind my name to have my post considered huh, what a joke!

[altor]

Anyways, there is still one week left & FC & MSJ need to win out big as well as their nonconference teams too.  It would be great to see two HCAC schools in the playoffs as we mentioned a thousand times.  I am curious now to see what the playoff seeding will be w/ Wheaton losing this past Saturday.  I would still think that the playoff comittee would still rank Wheaton ahead of Franklin.   I would guess right now it would look like this:
1 Mount Union
2 Wabash
3 Wheaton
4 Case
5 Franklin
6 MSJ
7 Concordia
8 MIAA (Hope, Olivet, or Alma)

People didn't like it last week when I was trying to rank the region, but since you brought it up 

I think you pretty much have it.  Though, Case will move to #3 in front of Wheaton, and I'm not sure that Wheaton will stay ahead of Franklin for that matter.  There's a couple big games in the CCIW next week that could decide the location of that matchup.  I won't go into all the numbers, but I think it's closer than people think.

Also, depending on what else happens in Pool C next week, there's a small chance that Capital gets a reprieve (perhaps sending Concordia to the west?).  That would really change the complexion of this region.

[fc_alum_84]

Actually i really didnt say anything imflamatory yesterday and I even complimented the DC coach.  Sayer mistook somehting I said from someone else.  Regardless of any DVD evidence, calls get made and missed everygame.  The referee didn't cause FC to ring up 28 pts. MSJ lost a tough game at home just like FC did last year. 

[Adam Sayer]

With the way things have gone this year, the HCAC will have their best shot at winning a playoff game. Normally, a 9-1 HCAC Champ is hoping for a 6th seed at best. With Wheaton losing, that may set up yet another Wheaton-MSJ playoff game...if MSJ wins Saturday )It's getting OLD!!!!!) .

[Pat Coleman]

How many playoff games has this conference won? One game against a conference winless in the automatic bid era.

Pat, you know better than that.  Past performance in the playoffs is not in the selection criteria.

I know that. But the dispute was whether the HCAC was getting screwed. In the past they have lived up to their lack of selections very nicely.

If they were complaining about the present season, I don't know why -- the selections haven't been made yet!

[SaintsFAN]

wow, no computer access and I come back to a lively board...

Actually i really didnt say anything imflamatory yesterday and I even complimented the DC coach.  Sayer mistook somehting I said from someone else.  Regardless of any DVD evidence, calls get made and missed everygame.  The referee didn't cause FC to ring up 28 pts. MSJ lost a tough game at home just like FC did last year. 

The response to you guys has been coming for a few weeks, guys have been turning the other cheek so to speak.  Franklins season is something to be very excited about.....

actually, I think JacketsFan said it well, NOBODY has a problem with new posters but YOU have been looking for a "fight" since you signed up.  Root your team on and show the same amount of class that the program you cheer for shows up with every week.  Everything will be gravy then.  As it has been mentioned, EVERYONE on this board is rooting for Franklin in the playoffs, so I don't even know why you come looking for trouble.   Again, there's no conspiracy for the people that have been posting here. . we just happen to know eachother well (in most cases personally).  After your take on the game has been said and agreed with by DC guys on here, then you have Grizzlyball coming in and saying that it was "clear that FC dominated Defiance" ...without adding a single thought on football.....see what I mean?  So its not just you, again...I UNDERSTAND the excitement, just stay classy San Diego

Adam,

its cool.  42-0 ...really wasn't a game.  I'm going to tell you something, W&J is on a WAY different level than any team I've seen this season.  Those guys are going to make a serious run this year.. and next year could be Salem or bust for those guys (their skill guys are THAT good). 

I think this is going to be the best Bridge Bowl yet, Sayer.  W&J not withstanding, Thomas More can compete with MSJ.  Since our teams are playing this week, should we not talk like Tressel and Dantonio? 

Charlie Weis should be strung up.  How the hell did he not kick the field goal on 4th and 8 with under 30 seconds left??  I wanted to throw the dog through the big TV we have.   WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?!


How great is it seeing Brady and company getting frustrated and beaten by the Colts??  I love it.  20-10 with 9:42 left.  Run up the score on the Colts, cheaters!

[SaintsFAN]

also, jacketsfan, I think this is the first HEARTLAND Conference title for the Grizz, but NOT overall (not sure if you meant that). 

Maybe one of the Grizzly fans can clear it up, but I think they won quite a bit under Coach Faught while they were NAIA. 

One of my close buddies played for Faught at Georgetown....loved the guy.  I can see why you have a stadium named after him.

[Mr. Ypsi]

How great is it seeing Brady and company getting frustrated and beaten by the Colts??  I love it.  20-10 with 9:42 left.  Run up the score on the Colts, cheaters!

Be VERY wary of premature gloating when facing Brady - 24-20 Patriots with 3:15 left!

And this is NOT gloating the other way - not with 3:15 and facing Manning!

[fc_alum_84]

Franklin has not won a conference championship in football since joining Division 3 in 1988. In the early 70's i think they wne tot the playoffs once or twice.  Franklin had a lot of success in NAIA in the 70's and 80's under coach Faught. 

[formerd3db]

Franklin has not won a conference championship in football since joining Division 3 in 1988. In the early 70's i think they wne tot the playoffs once or twice.  Franklin had a lot of success in NAIA in the 70's and 80's under coach Faught. 

Was Franklin's program a scholarship football program back then in the NAIA?  I thought that it was.

[fc_alum_84]

Prior to being D3 FC was a scholarship program