FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[dc_has_been]

SaintsFan you crack me up , but remember I come from Detroit so Cleveland & Pittsburgh are a step up. 
Adam your 4.0 at an institutution that is lesser of a school than RHIT is not going to hold more weight.  That's like saying that you are more qualified b/c you did better at school that is easier vs. a school that is known for their prominence in that particular field. 

[70_dc_alum]

if i were to hire someone straight out of college i would require transcripts.  if they went somewhere with high academic standards (as defined by those with bowties not fools like us) then they need to have a set GPA minimum to get past HR not saying i cant hire just i may never see the resume.  if it came from a non-elite school then the GPA threshold is higher.  by those defenition 90% of schools are non elite.  so in the world of business a 3.0 at MIT is not equal to a 3.0 at MSJ, TMC, DC, etc.  you can also use GPA vs school difficulty to negotiate a higher starting salary.

BUT as Jackets18 kind of points out it depends on the field you are going into.

my 3.1 at DC should have caused issues in getting my job but i interned there.  they said elite = 3.0 non elite is 3.5 but is manager discretion.  welcome to corporate america...of course they can be picky.  i interned with folks from Notre Dame, Cornell, MIT, Dayton, Xavier and that is where a lot of thier folks come from.

[formerd3db]

70_dc_alum, SaintsFAN, Sayer, et al:

Unfortunately, in today's corporate world, that is true.  However, I would add this if I may.  It all comes down to the person, one's motivation, dedication and talents.  I don't care what anyone's GPA is - even if at the low end of the "acceptable scale" for being considered in any corporation's (or employer's) criteria, a person who might be in that category can turn out to be "light years" ahead of other so-called high profile candidates who are hired as employees.  Do you think that, for example, a doctor or an engineer who might graduate in the lower half of his class can't turn out to be a exemplary top person in their field in any and even all ways above someone who had a much higher GPA from their same school or even someone from another high profile school?  It happens all the time and again it comes down to the person themselves.  Some people are just not good "test takers" i.e. they perform well enough to pass exams and are very competent.  But just because a person doesn't score the highest on a test doesn't mean he isn't saavy and the best administrator, working well with people in professional relationships, intelligent to pull off landing deals for the company, the best designer, physical skills, etc., etc.  Of course, as you say, the challenge comes in being given the opportunity i.e. being selected or hired in the applicant process among the candidate pool and some of that involves personality as well.  Yet if one is lucky and fortunate enough to be selected/hired and turns out to be among the top despite a lesser GPA/transcripts compared to others, that speaks "mountains" about one's character traits as I've alluded to/discussed above.  Just my 0.02 worth!

[SaintsFAN]

well said, formerd3db.

I think thats probably why I have made it where I have.  I definitely didn't have super grades at Thomas More....I skated by....until Dean Paul came in and made us take part in the Academic Gameplan.  I had a 3.5 in my only semester under him.


Its kind of a tricky job market right now, though.  I wonder if there will be a study that comes out which shows WHO employers are hiring right now.

[SaintsFAN]

Detroit has_Been? 

no wonder you don't mind Los Angeles.  I bet you go to BBQ Joints in Compton for nice dinners 

[D3_DPUFan]

Adam your 4.0 at an institutution that is lesser of a school than RHIT is not going to hold more weight.  That's like saying that you are more qualified b/c you did better at school that is easier vs. a school that is known for their prominence in that particular field. 

Exactly. 

[rhitsid]

For those who have not heard, Rose-Hulman football player Drew Christy was seriously injured in an automobile accident last week.  We have posted a story online at:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/football/08christy.htm

and we strongly encourage you to visit the web link below to leave your words of encouragement and faith to Drew and his family throughout his recovery:

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/drewchristy

Have a good day.

[Adam Sayer]

Adam your 4.0 at an institutution that is lesser of a school than RHIT is not going to hold more weight.  That's like saying that you are more qualified b/c you did better at school that is easier vs. a school that is known for their prominence in that particular field. 

Exactly. 

I don't believe it because as Formerd3db stated, people are different types of learners. Some don't do well on tests/quizzes, yet they can do things that involve them using their hands (building models, working on cadavers, etc.) and vice versa. Me, I learned math better wtaching a teacher do it over and over again on a baord. I have a student who couldn't do fractions until we gave him those colored chips. Some people learn differently and can't get into a "high profile" school like RHIT because they possible didn't do well because of their learning style (this is not something that is an exception to the rule). They have to attend a different school. Therefore, a 4.0 would mean more (and it's possible as well that is may not). It's not like colleges put a degree in place and fail to hire quality educators...places like RHIT can be selective. They get the "best" students, who perform exceptionally well not necessarily being in the "best" program. It provides a falsehood...not saying that is necessarily the case at RHIT.

Hope the player pulls through. I've been coaching wrestling now for 8 years and there have already been 3 wrestlers where I have been who have died. It's tough. You'll get support from all of us.

[SaintsFAN]

I will keep the RHIT player in my prayers.

decision08,

That 5'11'' stuff isn't really applicable anymore.  More and more you see teams at the college and pro level taking chances on shorter defensive lineman. 

One example in our backyard is the defensive lineman from Colerain who got a scholarship to UC despite being 5"10 or 5'11.  He was All Big-East for the last two years.

[griffpanther]

I can totally understand why a graduate of MSJ would rationalize in his mind that his degree is as good as a degree from an actual academically recognized intstitution. 

[dc_has_been]

Wow, first post & starts off talking smack!  I'm guessing w/ panther in the name, you are a Hanover supporter?

[cave2bens]

Wow, first post & starts off talking smack!  I'm guessing w/ panther in the name, you are a Hanover supporter?

And failed to use spell check to boot...  

The bottom line is "fairness" is a self-perceived fallacy and anyone believing in such utopian equilibria watches too many Disney movies or political pontifications.

Do differences exist among schools in regard to academic rigor, degree weights, and associated network opportunities?  Absolutely, especially in the private sector, where everything is based on the perceptions of gatekeepers (HR, recruiters, etc) and buying influences, right or wrong.  While this may not be applicable in the fields of behavioral sciences ("soft" science like sociology, psych, or communications), primary/secondary education, or general business, the pre-professional tacks are a different matter, especially regarding "name" graduate programs, or corporate environments.  

Are there statistical outliers?  Sure, and I won't bore anyone with an interview involving a candidate from UTexas-Austin (with a 3.8 GPA) who couldn't perform a simple fraction conversion without a calculator or write a proper sentence.  Just wait until some board participants reach their mid-fifties, the body starts breaking down, and technical savvy replaces the need for experience, common sense, and native intelligence.    

Fortunately, when the door slams into one's backside, there is often an open window.  Amen... and goodbye soapbox.  

[dc_has_been]

And what a way to have your 200th post!

[formerd3db]

decision08:

Sorry, however, in my office, when I take a chance and hire some supposed highly sophisitcated, intelligent person from some highly acclaimed academic institution and that person turns out to be someone who can't get along with his fellow colleagues, has the personality of a cold trout along with a highly elevated opinion of himself (sorry not including the women gender here ), and performs satisfactory, but not as one would expect, that person is put on waivers.  It all comes down to one's character and personality, academic skills being essentially equal or at least in the same ball park, IMO.

cave2:
Well said.

SaintsFAN:
Thanks.

I will also keep the RHIT player (and his family as well) in thought and prayer.  Please keep us posted on his progress.

[SaintsFAN]

That 5'11'' stuff isn't really applicable anymore.  More and more you see teams at the college and pro level taking chances on shorter defensive lineman. 

One example in our backyard is the defensive lineman from Colerain who got a scholarship to UC despite being 5"10 or 5'11.  He was All Big-East for the last two years.

SaintsFAN

The examples were just making a point, not hard and fast rules.  And my thinking behind  5'11" example really was about O-line.  Still, the Colerain guy has other impressive numbers on his side that "compensate" for the height and make him impossible to overlook, right?

Yep.  Like the ones you mentioned.