FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

Was talking to Coach Leonard a few weeks ago at one of Franklins baseball games. He said recruiting was going good, he did say that they that they were trying to get a QB named Will Stein to visit. He was the QB at Louisville Trinity High School and helped lead them to the Kentucky Class 6A State Championship.

He has already said that he is going to walkon at U of L, but I think Franklin would be a perfect fit  for him. I believe he is to short to play QB in D1.

I am sure that Coach Leonard and Coach Theo will have another great recruiting class again this year.

That would be a real coup for anyone in Division 3 to get him.  I think they'd instantly become players on the National Scene....this kid is that good. 

[Superfoot Wallace]

Victory,

That's nothing compared to purported recruit Evel Kowalkowski, who once jumped ten Corvettes with a bulldozer.

signed,
Matt Millen

[D3_DPUFan]

below is from a column in the courier- journal in february..looks like stein is headed to u of l...could you imagine that kind of talent in coach leonard's offense...wow!
although it's curious that a kid who puts up off the charts numbers at a powerhouse louisville program wouldn't have additional options...

A few walk-ons

Several local players will become preferred walk-ons:

Trinity quarterback Will Stein, who led the Shamrocks to the Class6-A state championship, will walk on at Louisville. Stein started only one season but completed 255 of 360 passes for 3,697 yards and 54 touchdowns with just seven interceptions. He picked UofL over Dayton.

[SaintsFAN]

no kidding....was it really U of L or DAYTON??!!   


There's gotta be some MAC school that needs an improvement at QB. 

[D3_DPUFan]

apparently so...

also noticed in one of the articles he was 3rd team all state...wonder what the numbers were of the 1st and 2nd teamers???

[Adam Sayer]

Maybe he got some bad advice...or was a big fan of Louisville football growing up. You guys are right...it does seem a little odd that he didn't even have a MAC school as a finalist for consideration.

[victorybell_57]

that qb is pretty good. however, i think he has an over inflated sense of his abilities. being a 6' tall qb and not possessing a rocket for a right arm will not get you a MAC scholarship.

he does seem very capable though, and I could have seen him playing IAA or D2. shoot, who knows, maybe he could have had an offer if the coach liked the way he played. i'm guessing most guys were turned off by his height and zip in the throwing arm.

walking on at UofL seems about right. he'll play this out until he realizes one day that he isn't the next John Elway. he'll probably like it there and be a career back-up barring some terrible rash of injuries that force him into playing time.

[KYGrizzly]

VB, that is my feelings about his size also.

Maybe he's thinking lightning will strike twice.

Hunter Cantwell out of Paducah, Ky is U of L's projected starter this year. He graduated from high school the same year as Brian Brohm and got some small D1 offers but decided to walkon at U of L where he redshirted one year. He is now listed on some of the NFL draft reports as one of the top QB's coming out of college next year.

But the big differece between Stein and Cantwell is their size. Cantwell is listed at 6' 4" and 236lbs. a nice frame for a QB.

[victorybell_57]

that's a big qb, and a 6'4 frame helps you do  a lot things.

[Adam Sayer]

I was a preferred walk-on by UK and I was a 6ft, 260lb Offensive/Defensive Lineman. I think if you have the talent and ability, height isn't going to be as big of a factor as some make it...especially to a MAC school. I can't believe none of them were even giving him a shot. Not trying to say I was a stud and that's why I got that letter from Kentucky, but ability outweighs a lot. Troy Smith was around 6 ft, Drew Brees was short...these are guys who had success in college as short QB's...and at Big time football schools.

[Adam Sayer]

In relation to the NFL draft, especially the Dophins, which is more important...a great pass rusher, or a great pass protector? In a study completed by NFL players, the QB's blind side Tackle was rated as the most important position...even ahead of QB. Quarterback was obviously 2nd. Though arguably the NFL's greatest pass rusher's son is available...is everyone on the same page that Chris Long can be what his Old Man was...or at least close? He had a wonderful college career, but the ACC isn't the same Ol ACC.

I've been high on Jake Long the last 3 years swearing up and down to my buddies during the OSU-Michigan game his Sophomore year that he would be a top 5 pick as a Junior. The man is massive and has protected against some of the best defenses in the country during his tenure at Michigan. Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Notre Dame (jk - I know that got a laugh as they can't spell defense in South Bend). In 4 years at Michigan, I think I heard he only gave up 5 sacks. I could be wrong, but I heard the exact number once and it was low. I said during last season on here that he would come in and be a bad ass as a rookie LT. Coming out of college he is up there with someone by the name of Orlando Pace...who will be an NFL hall of famer.

I'd take Jake Long vs Chris Long in 1 on 1's.

[frank uible]

In my view a great (not merely good but a HOF quality) pass rusher who is great for more than a few years is a rarer commodity than a great pass protector. Watch out for expectations of Jake Long - he might have a little Tony Mandarich in him, and if he does, the bigger, faster, quicker, more determined NFL players will find it and take advantage of it. Not that Chris Long necessarily projects to be a great pass rusher - he may be a little low in the ballast department relative to his level of quickness. Of course many and maybe most years there is not, as it plays out on the field, either a durably great (by my definition) pass rusher or a great pass protector in the draft.

[M and L]

Just thinking what Miami needs.  They have a respectable defense and yes they are getting old with Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas.  But their Off. was bad.  I think as a rookie Jake Long can be more productive than Chris Long, and I always root for defensive to win games.

Just think what Anthony Munoz did for the Bengals!

[victorybell_57]

which is why you usually see so many DI players that are 6 feet tall.

personally, i am tired of the old argument that talent is bigger than height. you take a 6'1 275 pound guard and have him lock horns with a 6'5 310 lb 3T, he is getting worn out much easier than a guy 3-5 inches taller than he is. wrestler or no wrestler, it's harder on the body and shorter limbs limit what you are able to do.

it's also the main reason why 90% of the linebackers in today's game are 6'3-6'5. they days of 6' 255 lb hole pluggers have no place in today's game.

troy smith and drew brees are 6'1 pushing 6'2, and they are very short for NFL qb's. that kid on film i mentioned previously has nothing on those two. he's a good high school qb which i thought should warrant IAA or D2 scholarship, but that's at best.

Division I and the NFL is a great filtering process. They get the best first, and the other divisions or pro leagues get the next best thing. i love when people say they could have gone DI but they were only 5'11, or only ran a 4.8, or the coach said they could walk-on and earn their way. it's coach speak for "son, you are too short, not fast enough, and not good enough to get the full ticket scholarship." problem is that most people have an over-inflated view of their self-worth on the football field. or the high school coach that tries selling their 5'9 NT on the sheer magnitude of his intensity, please. coaches don't recruit players they can't win with because they have to fill 80,000 seat stadiums and win or get fired. that would be crazy.

everybody loves the game and is tough, that is why you play. it does not guarantee you a scholarship, and if you were good enough, the NFL would have found you at said D3 school. 

sayer, i am not throwing this at you, i am tossing this at every person i have run across at smaller schools and had some story of their DI success. i am just tired of listening to it from most people who have not a clue on how it work. i had DI success also, i watch ohio state every saturday.

i'm off my soapbox, i just hope the next 6' tall tackle gets the serious look from georgia he is supposed to.

[decision08]

Forget this!  Changed my mind.  We won't be hanging around.  Thanks for making new posters feel welcome.