FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[short]

... would love to see TMC make it to Mt. Union.  I would make a road trip to see that one. I see that all the OAC teams only have one non-concerence game each year.  Why does Mt. Union waste it on D3 teams?  Does anyone else wonder how they stack up to bigger division teams?  For years I've wished that they would play someone like Grand Valley State and see how they compare, plus it would earn some respect.  I live in Indy and love seeing Pierre Garcon do well.  Does anyone know why he left Norwich his freshmen year for Mt. Union?

I can tell you how Mount would stack up vs Grand Valley! NOT WELL!!! In fact they would play GVSU about as well as TMC would play Mount Union! 49-0ish, Mount might score a TD but they would be out classed at almost every position! Much like TMC vs Mount Union.

[SaintsFAN]

You're a moron if you think every position would be out-classed.  That or you know nothing about the personnel Thomas More has recruited to campus.  Do I think TMC would beat Mount Union?  No.  But I think it would be a good game and end up having MUC pull away late 34-13. 

It would be two physical, fast football teams.  Don't use W&Js score as a comparison (which is exactly what you are doing)... different games, different motivations --

[Adam Sayer]

In all honesty, TMC might play them "better" than a lot of other teams, but it would still be a 21-28 point game, only because TMC would score late on the JV's. TMC is prone to turnovers and I don't see them playing MUC "close" at any point after the 1st quarter. 

[SaintsFAN]

In all honesty, TMC might play them "better" than a lot of other teams, but it would still be a 21-28 point game, only because TMC would score late on the JV's. TMC is prone to turnovers and I don't see them playing MUC "close" at any point after the 1st quarter. 

with 52 man rosters, there aren't any JV's. 

[short]

Call me a moron, I don't care.  I didn't say every position I said "almost" every position and I stand by that.  I have seem TMC play this year and I think they would have finished 3rd in the NCAC and about 5th or 6th in the OAC.  TMC Beat JCU 14-7 Mount Union beat JCU 56-7! WJ 55-0 vs 14-7.  TMC plays with a 200 lb Nose tackle! Think what you want but I think your in for a rude wake up call if you make it that far!  Good Luck this weekend and I not trying to put down TMC they have a solid team and play very hard!

[SaintsFAN]

Call me a moron, I don't care.  I didn't say every position I said "almost" every position and I stand by that.  I have seem TMC play this year and I think they would have finished 3rd in the NCAC and about 5th or 6th in the OAC.  TMC Beat JCU 14-7 Mount Union beat JCU 56-7! WJ 55-0 vs 14-7.  TMC plays with a 200 lb Nose tackle! Think what you want but I think your in for a rude wake up call if you make it that far!  Good Luck this weekend and I not trying to put down TMC they have a solid team and play very hard!

That 200 lb nose tackle has been unblockable.  He's beat out the 260-275 lb guys on TMC's roster because of his speed.  Do you think we play him because we have nobody else?  He was also named All-PAC the past two years.  I'm not even going to respond to your statement about them finishing 3rd in the NCAC or 5th or 6th in the NCAC... but I bet someone else will.

The games you reference are about matchups... not comparing scores.  John Carroll was the 1st game of the season.  And TMC beat W&J at their place. 

If you are looking for high scores against inferior competition, ala Wittenburg and W&J  then you won't see it.  Hilvert has used this season to rotate at virtually every position so they are prepared for the future and were healthy for the playoff run they knew they had coming. 

Wittenburg still has played only one good team, and that team was without their QB when they played. 

[SaintsFAN]

You are comparing scores.... THATS tricky.  Do I think Mount Union is good?  Hell yes, I do... I have seen them in person.  I've also been to other OAC games and TMC is right there with my old coach's team, Ohio Northern.  

[BlueRebel94]

So then if Witt beat MSJ at Witt's place 42-14 and TMC beat MSJ at MSJ's place 42-17, then TMC is better than Witt but not as good as MUC.  Is that about right?

Sorry SaintsFAN couldn't help myself!!

[maripp2002]

You said Wittenberg has only played one good team, and Thomas Moore might be in the same category. DPU ended the season with three losses, W&J got exposed in the playoffs (can count this as their "good team") JCU, usually a pretty decent team, did not have the wins this year. Wittenberg, played and beat pretty easily, the same MSJ team that TMC did (so throw that one out or compare scores in which case Wittenberg wins). I think the two are pretty evenly matched at this point. Which means that with Wabash not having their QB against Wittenberg  and since they were pretty close, means TMC and Wabash would be pretty close = POSSIBLE 3rd in the NCAC. Of course Wabash and TMC have a common opponent, DPU. Wabash won by 13 and TMC by 10. So I don't think its out of the way to say TMC would have a shot at finishing 3rd in the NCAC this year. 

[SaintsFAN]

Its ok, if they ever played on the field, Witt wouldn't be able to adjust to the speed on both sides of the ball.  This isn't the same team that Witt played previously

[SaintsFAN]

TMC played 3 teams with 8 or more wins.. You guys are crazy to think TMC would be 3rd in that conference.  They beat MSJ at their place, not on the road.  It also is a huge rivalry game..

[BlueRebel94]

Since we are throwing around numbers in fantasy land, you might as well throw in an explanation for why both Witt and TMC were 10-0 in the regular season but TMC's SOS was 65 points higher than Witt's.  

That's it TMC at Witt for the 2010 opener, settle this thing on the field!!!

[maripp2002]

Depauw ended up 7-3 when Colorado College dropped. That leaves W&J and MSJ and Geneva who did it in 11 games.

Wittenberg played Wabash, Allegheny and MSJ and all had over 8 or more wins. Point is same "lousy schedule".

The bridge bowl is a huge rivalry game in which, this year at least, one team was grossly overmatched. Also, unless I am mistaken "their place" is like a jaunt into Ohio. The same argument can be made for Wabash v. Depauw. A huge rivalry game in which Wabash beat DePauw at "their place" (a 30 minute car ride away) and by more than TMC did at home. See how this works?

[SaintsFAN]

Depauw ended up 7-3 when Colorado College dropped. That leaves W&J and MSJ and Geneva who did it in 11 games.

Wittenberg played Wabash, Allegheny and MSJ and all had over 8 or more wins. Point is same "lousy schedule".

The bridge bowl is a huge rivalry game in which, this year at least, one team was grossly overmatched. Also, unless I am mistaken "their place" is like a jaunt into Ohio. The same argument can be made for Wabash v. Depauw. A huge rivalry game in which Wabash beat DePauw at "their place" (a 30 minute car ride away) and by more than TMC did at home. See how this works?

I didn't mention DePauw... playoff opponent.  Wabash and Allegheny only.  Unless you want to count playoff opponents, which wasn't scheduled. 


THATS why I SAID you can't compare scores.  short started the comparison of scores.  TMC's advantage in a HEAD TO HEAD game with Witt or Wabash would be team speed.   I'm not going to sit there and let you tell me that the NCAC is a great conference.  This year, its Wabash, who is consistently in playoffs and Witt who had a nice run with a watered down schedule in 2009.   

[SaintsFAN]

Since we are throwing around numbers in fantasy land, you might as well throw in an explanation for why both Witt and TMC were 10-0 in the regular season but TMC's SOS was 65 points higher than Witt's.  

That's it TMC at Witt for the 2010 opener, settle this thing on the field!!!

No $hit... hopefully TMC isn't scared of Wittenburg to schedule that out.  Jesus



This is my point:

Since we are throwing around numbers in fantasy land, you might as well throw in an explanation for why both Witt and TMC were 10-0 in the regular season but TMC's SOS was 65 points higher than Witt's.