FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

You too Sayer, the only difference between you and Bashdad is that your team got ran off the field by TMC and Wabash didn't.  You saw them in person and know they were too much for MSJ

[BashDad]

While you may find it classless, I found your posturing last week to be absurd. Going so far as bending the results of tight games into support of an uber fast squad was too much and while you may take offense when that stuff finds a home in irony, it's nevertheless kind of enjoyable, for someone with relatively no interest in your program, for such pretentions to be shattered.

The truth is, upper level undefeated conference champions DON'T lose to two-loss teams. They don't. The only example I can remember is your PAC brethren at W&J in 2007, in the first round no less.  To me, that's an indictment of your conference and your schedule, never mind the speed in relation.

[Pat Coleman]

That's right -- if you're going to lose to a two-loss team in the second round, you had better well lose a regular season game as well, the way Wabash did last year. That somehow makes it better.

[BashDad]

Your point's misguided. Wabash may have been NCAC champs, but they had one hugely revealing (and embarrassing) loss.

[Pat Coleman]

Your point is pretty misguided, too, though, and fairly petty.

[maripp2002]

In all fairness, I think no one expected JHU to play as well as they have in the playoffs. Every year there is a two loss team that really straps it on and brings their A+ game to the playoffs. And as much fun as it is to tease the TMC guys, they had a great season, they just gave us an "instant classic" playoff game, and they played about as close as  possible and still lose a game.

In the end, I would say given today's results with Wittenberg and JHU/TMC it really makes MSJ look a lot better than the numbers in those two games might have suggested. Look forward now, and let's all get excited for the next great game. The beauty of d3 football is once your team is out, it doesn't mean you have to stop being a fan of good football. Good luck to Witt next week against UWW and JHU as they take on Wesley. Should be some great games next week around the country!

[BashDad]

Petty, maybe, though hardly misguided. How many undefeated teams have been ousted from the playoffs by those with multiple losses? And how is the fact that both W&J and TMC are on the list (in a two year span) not an indictment of their conference and schedule? And how is that--the schedule at large--not relevent criteria for debunking something as abstract as "overwhelming team speed?"

These aren't unreasonable questions and certainly should be fair game should someone care to have such a strong reaction to fairly innocuous ribbing, brought on by their own reverbing cries of power.

[SaintsFAN]

NOBODY here associated with Thomas More, including me, said (or even thought) that Thomas More was an upper level team because of one win in the playoffs against a team with two losses.  You assume an awful lot about what I was saying about tmcs speed, but I will chalk it up to frustration.  That's the same frustration I'm feeling after seeing my alma mater, who I played for, get beat by a team who was better than them when it counted most. 

Worst of all is that I was live on air, and couldn't express myself as I wanted out of not wanting to be fined by the FCC. 

[SaintsFAN]

Well said, Matt.  One more thing, I'm not sure how Thomas More can improve their schedule.  They had John Carroll University on there, thinking they'd be a strong rep of the OAC Conference.  In their only other non conference game, they played an undefeated Mount St Joe team. 

The flip side of the coin is the one-loss W&J team making their run in the 2008 Tournament.  How would that change the indictment?  Maybe the judge should throw out that result?

[pg04]

I've read this whole argument and I'm still not sure what it's all about 

[Pat Coleman]

Petty, maybe, though hardly misguided. How many undefeated teams have been ousted from the playoffs by those with multiple losses? And how is the fact that both W&J and TMC are on the list (in a two year span) not an indictment of their conference and schedule? And how is that--the schedule at large--not relevent criteria for debunking something as abstract as "overwhelming team speed?"

These aren't unreasonable questions and certainly should be fair game should someone care to have such a strong reaction to fairly innocuous ribbing, brought on by their own reverbing cries of power.

Just seems a little bitter coming from a fan of a frequent champion of a weak conference that also lost at home to a multi-loss team in that same three-season span you cite. I don't think anyone in the know has claimed that the PAC is a high-level conference, right? Same as the NCAC, yes?

Plus, it's even more bitter, coming from a third party and after the fact. Why are you in this discussion?

[cave2bens]

Rather than "bitter," it's humorous when a pair of pugnacious pugilists offer a cage match, rhetorical retrospective on a neutral, board site - and former QBs no less.    Stir in "the guru's" endothermic catalyst, and this proved far more entertaining than the ESPN/ABC requiem for Irish Charlie, post Farm performance, this evening.

It's the most "action" on the HCAC board since October when DC "screwed the pooch" for another season and stirred up JacketsFan. 

"With the oil of Aphrodite, and the dust of the Grand Wazoo..."
"Who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?" 

[70_dc_alum]

Worst of all is that I was live on air, and couldn't express myself as I wanted out of not wanting to be fined by the FCC. 

Funny this is why you should never do the live broadcast of your alma mater.  i cant hardly let my boys sit with me at a DC game for the same reason, except the fine from teh Wife is a lot more painful than the FCC!!

was a great game and a great season for TMC.  fact is when you spot a 14pt lead becuse turnovers it does not matter how fast or physical you are when the other team is a good team.  the fact that TMC pulled the comeback off should say something about the program (even though they got killed by a last second FG)

couple questions...how bid are the stones to throw 1 more play with 5 seconds left and how fast can a receiver really run a 4 yd out??  what ever happened to the home field clock SaintsFan?  5 seconds left to run a 10yd pass and they let the clock sit with 1 sec left.

[SaintsFAN]

couple questions...how bid are the stones to throw 1 more play with 5 seconds left and how fast can a receiver really run a 4 yd out??  what ever happened to the home field clock SaintsFan?  5 seconds left to run a 10yd pass and they let the clock sit with 1 sec left.

Huge stones to call that play, but IMO that was why Hopkins led for 59 minutes of the game... they played and coached with nothing to lose.  They had a 4th and 4 late in the 3rd, with TMC surging---- and called for a long pass on a "7 route" and completed it to inside the 5 yard line.  Andrew Kase scored on a run on the next play to go up 28-17. 

I originally thought there wasn't going to be time left on the clock.  I talked to the clock operator after the game and there was no doubt in his mind there was a second left.  I'm glad there wasn't another "When time stood still incident"...

They were a very physical team --- we'll see how they do against Wesley.. I hope they do very well, obviously.

[BashDad]

Its ok, if they ever played on the field, Witt wouldn't be able to adjust to the speed on both sides of the ball.  This isn't the same team that Witt played previously

For what it's worth, this is the post that invited third party participation.