FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[cave2bens]

Looks like the Old Big 12 is going to become the New Big 10 and the Old Big 10 is going to become the New Big 12.

It's all pretty amusing, and certainly not lacking for opinions from all sides.  The most favorable read, encountered so far, is linked below:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/061510dnsporealignment.1dbf239.html

The Tampa Bay Trib had a scathingly humorous sports editorial this AM, and the K-State Coach was rather boisterous regarding athletic incompetence of CU and Nebraska in his personal comments/rants in the Chicago fish wrap.  Mrs. Caves hasn't relinquished her hold on the "Urinal Constipation, ATL's contribution to journalistic absurdity, for a local interpretation of net effect on the local football factories. 

[Adam Sayer]

We all know one thing...money makes the world go round. The Big 12 might be together for now, but when these schools see Colorado & Nebraska each make around 25 million or more in the near future, they will get greedy. Even lowly Indiana made 22 million last year. As the article Bob posted stated, Oklahoma and A&M have each struggled with debt problems in the Athletic Dept. They may be getting 20 million under this new deal, but faced with the possibility of making near 30 million if they are a top notch Big 10/Pac 10 team...it will be very, very tempting.

Ultimately, I don't think Oklahoma, A&M, or Texas will be the deciding factors in the future like they are being made out to be now. I think the key lies with the smaller Big 12 schools (or not-as-good Big 12 schools). The Big 12 has to find a way to keep them happy and its not going to be with money. Under this agreement, they won't make near what they could as a member of a Big/Pac 10 school. Lets say Baylor looks at the Big 10 and thinks, "Hey, we can beat Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern on a consistent basis, schedule some powder puffs, and we're a bowl team almost every year.  And we'll make 15 million more per year?"  Next thing you know the conference is down to 9. Missouri isn't happy. No matter what they say publicly, anyone with a brain knows they will bolt at first chance. 2-3 million extra per year doesn't erase years of frustration. At least not like an extra 15 million per year would. They leave, the conference is 8.

The Big 12 needs to lock these schools down for long term in order for this to work. Problem I see, is schools like Kansas, Missouri, and Baylor (teams who are usually not good in football) wont  let that happen because they know they have the Big 12 by the balls AND their is a legit shot to make a lot more money. I see a 4-5 year agreement max. This gives those schools a chance to say, "We stuck around and tried to make it work."

[Ralph Turner]

We all know one thing...money makes the world go round. The Big 12 might be together for now, but when these schools see Colorado & Nebraska each make around 25 million or more in the near future, they will get greedy. Even lowly Indiana made 22 million last year. As the article Bob posted stated, Oklahoma and A&M have each struggled with debt problems in the Athletic Dept. They may be getting 20 million under this new deal, but faced with the possibility of making near 30 million if they are a top notch Big 10/Pac 10 team...it will be very, very tempting.

Ultimately, I don't think Oklahoma, A&M, or Texas will be the deciding factors in the future like they are being made out to be now. I think the key lies with the smaller Big 12 schools (or not-as-good Big 12 schools). The Big 12 has to find a way to keep them happy and its not going to be with money. Under this agreement, they won't make near what they could as a member of a Big/Pac 10 school. Lets say Baylor looks at the Big 10 and thinks, "Hey, we can beat Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern on a consistent basis, schedule some powder puffs, and we're a bowl team almost every year.  And we'll make 15 million more per year?"  Next thing you know the conference is down to 9. Missouri isn't happy. No matter what they say publicly, anyone with a brain knows they will bolt at first chance. 2-3 million extra per year doesn't erase years of frustration. At least not like an extra 15 million per year would. They leave, the conference is 8.

The Big 12 needs to lock these schools down for long term in order for this to work. Problem I see, is schools like Kansas, Missouri, and Baylor (teams who are usually not good in football) wont  let that happen because they know they have the Big 12 by the balls AND their is a legit shot to make a lot more money. I see a 4-5 year agreement max. This gives those schools a chance to say, "We stuck around and tried to make it work."

Interesting thoughts, but why does anyone want Baylor?  The same can be said for anyone else that the Big Ten is looking at from the perspective of the "buyer".

I think that A&M's discussions with the SEC prompted UT to keep the Big XII intact.  UT is already losing talent to LSU and Arkansas.  Why give any larger recruiting toehold to the SEC in the form of an outpost in College Station?

[Adam Sayer]

From a football competition standpoint, no one would want Baylor...but factor in money and location, and it becomes attractive for a conference, most notably the SEC. The teams always complain that they schedule cupcakes out of conference because their in-conference schedule is too difficult. Bring in Baylor Also, it still allows the SEC to branch into Texas.

Plus, if Baylor, Missouri, Kansas wants to leave...someone will take them. These TV networks wont just cover football. The above three are very competitive in basketball and other sports.

[Adam Sayer]

I had a kid who failed 4 quarters but passed his 2 semester exams. One of the quarters he failed, he had a 48% and we had to raise his grade to a 60% per school policy. I was asked to pass this kid for the year by the Academic Dean and the Principal at the end of the year. I refused to, and found out today that they passed him anyway. Even though he passed his 2 exams, the kid had an 82% on his final exam and it was the lowest final exam grade in the class. Its not like I was dragging them through the dirt with a difficult final. This is the first high school I have taught at...is this something that goes on everywhere and I'm making too big a deal out of?

I'm pissed and would like to write a letter to the Superintendent of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati and the state of Ohio.

[cave2bens]

I had a kid who failed 4 quarters but passed his 2 semester exams. One of the quarters he failed, he had a 48% and we had to raise his grade to a 60% per school policy. I was asked to pass this kid for the year by the Academic Dean and the Principal at the end of the year. I refused to, and found out today that they passed him anyway. Even though he passed his 2 exams, the kid had an 82% on his final exam and it was the lowest final exam grade in the class. Its not like I was dragging them through the dirt with a difficult final. This is the first high school I have taught at...is this something that goes on everywhere and I'm making too big a deal out of?

I'm pissed and would like to write a letter to the Superintendent of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati and the state of Ohio.

Welcome to Life Lesson 59.5 - every effort made is now acknowledged as consummate success regardless of outcome.  Mediocrity reigns at all levels when emotion trumps reality, and there'll always be some dedicated fool available to pick up the slack. 

[BashDad]

Mediocrity reigns at all levels when emotion trumps reality...

an army of dead artists just rolled over several hundred times...

[cave2bens]

Mediocrity reigns at all levels when emotion trumps reality...

an army of dead artists just rolled over several hundred times...

That's good... lay-out position with half twist; degree of difficulty 1.8   

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Drove over to see the new turf field at Franklin yesterday afternoon.  Absolutely beautiful field.  Walked around on it in my bare feet. The team and the school will truly have a facility to be proud of.  Lights have been installed as well.  Would be nice to host a night game or two.  I don't know if my liver could take it.  LOL

[Adam Sayer]

After much talk with people about the situation at school, I figure to let sleeping dogs lie. As someone said, I may end up finding myself in hot water while being in a position where I can do very little when its all said in done...kind of like the football team It just gets to me that college educated adults, who are in charge of an educational institution, would condone this...and multiple times. She got in a lot of hot water for changing a student's grade last year without consulting the teacher. I figure, just get through next year and find a new job ASAP.

[SaintsFAN]

After much talk with people about the situation at school, I figure to let sleeping dogs lie. As someone said, I may end up finding myself in hot water while being in a position where I can do very little when its all said in done...kind of like the football team It just gets to me that college educated adults, who are in charge of an educational institution, would condone this...and multiple times. She got in a lot of hot water for changing a student's grade last year without consulting the teacher. I figure, just get through next year and find a new job ASAP.

just like in your marriage (as you SHOULD be doing now).... its called pick your battles.  If you fight every battle, then you'll lose the war.  You dig me?  I'm serious.

Plus, wasn't this par for the course to get most of the retards on your team of PIKERS in college?

if you need to see what a PIKER is, go watch Boiler Room.  THATS Mount St Joe compared to the better school across the Ohio

[cave2bens]

Many happy returns, "Rock."  I trust you're maintaining the 33 theme, quaffing "Old Latrobe" in mass quantities. 

[SaintsFAN]

Many happy returns, "Rock."  I trust you're maintaining the 33 theme, quaffing "Old Latrobe" in mass quantities. 

thank you, sir... nah, not a fan of Rolling Rock for some reason.... But whatever I drink it will be in multiples of 33 ...ha

Damn I'm getting old.

[cave2bens]

Many happy returns, "Rock."  I trust you're maintaining the 33 theme, quaffing "Old Latrobe" in mass quantities. 

thank you, sir... nah, not a fan of Rolling Rock for some reason.... But whatever I drink it will be in multiples of 33 ...ha

Damn I'm getting old.

Understand that on all counts.  Turned down the Heinz 57 opportunity from the dragon a year ago, but there's always the next decade to anticipate.   

[DadofBashWarrior..]

Anderson has a good class of freshman coming in that should number over 70...