FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[victorybell_57]

i don't believe there is anything different from the shoot and the spread. some believe you get better play actions and can play with the defense while the qb is under center, but that is neither here nor there. the point i was trying to make was that the shoot turned into the spread, and the spread has molded into a hybrid of them both. you can run shoot concepts from any offensive set, you don't have to be married to the 2 x 2 or trips sets. you can do the same things with a te and fb. it's all about getting a 3 receiver pattern in some form of easy 1-2-3 read for the qb. granted, a lot of the shoot routes are deeper, but they do offer a good mix of medium and short range passes.

the thing i would love to get my hands on are some of the dan marino offenses he used in shotgun with the fish, and the buffalo version of the spread. both were highly effective.

*on a side note, i believe the state champs the past few years in the hoosier state have used the faught shoot (1A, 2A, lower divisions) while the upper divisions have used the shoot formation with a heavy dose of midline and veer.

on a side note, franklin's defense has been tougher in conference the last few years due to the offensive philosophy change. mixing it up with different personelle groups does help the defense prepare for just about everything. they have been much tougher on defense and i believe this is a huge part of it.

[Adam Sayer]

I loved our hand signal for 'G!' Gotta touch the spot

[Adam Sayer]

Watch this...inspirational. The guy training him is a Deer Park Grad.

http://www.cincyfit.com/wrestling.html

[M and L]

that is absoutly crazy WOW

[victorybell_57]

wow is right

[SaintsFAN]

Speaking of telling the other team whats coming....

in 1997 we play at Bluffton with 14 players suspended the day before the game...
the first half consisted of Thomas More cramming the ball down the throats of the Beaver defense....we didn't throw a pass in the first half...not a single one.  This was Will Castleberry's breakout game....as a freshman, he ran for 321 yards...we had another guy get 160 yards and I threw for like 50 on 4 attempts. 

Anyways, in the 3rd Quarter.....my TE gets my attention as we are flipping the playside at the line....he's telling the Bluffton guys where the ball is going and who is getting it...laughing his a$$ off.....as I hear it, I started laughing during my cadence and got a false start....he continued for another 10 plays or so....

The Bluffton Coach didn't even realize we had so many players suspended (including the starting QB) until after halftime....they sat back in a base 4-3....I mean how do you NOT know the school record holding QB (#12) is not in the game and a taller guy (#8) is.....that was Carpenter at the end of his run...

[victorybell_57]

do you guys like the spring games or summer games that some D3 teams play in? too much to coordinate for coaches, or a truly great experience that can help your team?

[M and L]

good question, I actually wonder how much the coaches actually have to get it all together.

I can only positives from these games in getting more playing time and experiences.  Younger players getting to fight for plahying time and show case there stuff.  And coaches get a chance to see what they have to work with.

The only bad thing is a guy might have to miss a class or two.

[M and L]

The only bad thing is that it could been as an unfair advantage because other schools can't take advantage of it and it's benifits.

[Pat Coleman]

If Texas Lutheran can go to Mexico and Thiel can go to Canada and take advantage, I'm sure that a HCAC school can go to Canada as well.

[victorybell_57]

i agree, but how many schools have the financial resources to do this? most school's have the money earmarked well in advance of an event like this. that is why i asked how much of a logistical nightmare it would be for coaches to fund raise and organize. coaches coach, many of them are out of their element in terms of fundraising.

and yes, i think the football aspect of it would be outstanding for everybody. even better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe. heck, make a 2 year agreement and play one home and away. good way to get in more real practice, and everybody gets better.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

victorybell:

I myself was part of two trips to Europe with the Adrian College Football team.  I did one as a player to Spain which was a great trip to a great country.  I know for this trip Adrian did a large amount of fundraising to defray some of the cost to the students.  They began planning for this about two years in advance and doing the fundraising for the duration.  It was able to drop the cost of the trip which at the time as around 2000.00 down to right around 1000.00.  For the second trip, I went as a coach and went for free, needless to say a much better deal.  We went to Ireland the second time and also did fundraising.  Of course with current events which had taken place and heightened security not to mention the dollars decline to the euro the trip was more expensive.  Despite more fundraising I believe the players paid in the 1500.00 range which is still not bad.  It is a great experience but one that the students pay for out of pocket and through fundraising.  I would imagine the only cost to the school would be insurance as I know that at least through the company we went with that for X amount of players X amount of coaches went free.

[victorybell_57]

were there issues that some players couldn't go to not being able to afford it? what problems did you have fundraising? what did you fundraise?

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

victorybell:

Neither year did the whole team go.  It definelty came down to who could afford to lay out the 1000-1500 dollars for the trips.  We did a fundraising event with lifting for one thing to get started and also held some silent auctions.  Using connections with various pro teams as well as the University of Michigan we were able to get alot of good donations to auction off which greatly helped the effort.  For the first trip I was not involved with fundraising short of the lifting, but for the second I had a smaller role in terms of managing some of the auctions.  Needless to say you dont need a full team to beat the europeans, they are not near the level of Division III football yet.  We played two games in spain beating a spanish team 26-0 and a French team by a similar score, I dont recall exactly.  We played on a hand lined field(lined with chalk none the less) in Spain.  the second trip was to Ireland and we won that game against a team of Irish All Stars 53-0 a great experience and wonderful setting hower, I strongly encourage any player who can afford it to make the trip.

[INQBScout]

even better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe.

has that ever seriously been discussed at the DIII level? is there a chance something like that could ever happen?