FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Sayer:

You are right, I did make a mistake in labeling. 

[M and L]

thank you for your insight fellas

[Adam Sayer]

Given the following formation, running inside zone (Right) vs a 4-3 defense:

                    W            M            S
                     E         N         T          E
                      LT   LG   C   RG   RT   Y

First on the zone, I am a supporter of a drop step. I can see why some people wouldn't, but we dropped at MSJ so I am accustomed to it and like it. If you do not want to drop step, I suggest you get your OL an extra 6-8 inches off the ball.

LT: Drop step with right foot and work at an appropriate angle to the Will. If the DE crosses the LT's face, he has to take him...otherwise, don't touch the DE. You don't need to block the DE because either a fullback is blocking him, the quarterback's after handoff motion takes him, or both.

LG: Drop step with right foot and your aiming point on the Nose is the inside of his outside number. The LG will get help from the Center but it will only be a chip. After the Center leaves, the LG needs to take over and drive block.

Center: SHORT drop step with right foot and hip back into the Nose. Work to Mike.

The RG and RT do pretty much the same thing as the LG and Center with the 3-tech and Sam, but the RT can stay on the 3-tech longer with his chip due to where the play is being ran.

To take over the block (this is how I did it) the LG should post his right hand on the inside number (where it should be when contact is initially made) and extend his right arm.  At the same time work to fight left arm across the Nose's body and use the left arm almost like a flipper.

Similar to ADAWG, we focused on blocking stacks.

[victorybell_57]

are you sure you want to work the pst tackle against the zone? seems to me that you would want him stepping playside and zoning up to the sam, working with the te. rg should have that dt by himself, unless the 3t slants inside. and all of this is determined off of a shade/2technique backside. you want your center zoning to the right unless that left guard needs help. i know msj has been pretty good at running zone, so i won't argue. i'm just saying from my experience i've seen it more often with the way i have explained.

drops steps are good, if you can do them. it all goes back to what your guys can do. if not, then yes. i agree to get them off the ball.

one zone change-up i like a lot, is when you solid the bst on the de, and zone everybody else to the te. then your fb and tackle exchange responsibilities. fb blocks will, left guard to te zone right. rb gets handoff deep, takes two steps to the right, and cuts back off the flow now. great way to play with the lb's.

i like the zone a lot, i do. i also love running power schemes off of the zone/iso/counter action. most people call it one back power. you can run it vs the 3t side. Y always has de and blocks him out. double off the 3t to mike. block center back, pull left guard around for same. great pop for a one back team, or just getting a fb the ball, or getting the fb out of the picture. in gun you would probably have the back use a counter path in the backfield.

[Adam Sayer]

The nice thing at MSJ was majority of us were free to make that call. We were shown the way I explained above, but there were many times (I being a RG) that I told my RT not to worry about chipping. 

Don't confuse me with combo blocking. Chipping as I am explaining is not much more than help by positioning. The Center in this case hips back into the Nose to slow his momentum because penetration by him will cause some problems. Once contact is made between the Center and Nose, the Center moves on to the Mike. The Center doesn't stay with the LG for the whole block.

As far as the RG and RT, the 'longer' chip is merely an extra step by the tackle and is meant to slow the 3 tech's momentum and help the RG get a little extra push. It's a little more power at the point of attack. Again, the RT won't stay with the RG for the whole block. The Chips are split second and then you're off to the 2nd level.

At the Clinic Rutgers' O-line coach explained that his guys 'chip'. They showed it a little differently as far as footwork goes, but they did use it.

And I think this worked well for us because we were undersized, but rather quick for an O-line. The chip helped some of our smaller guys get movement and our speed allowed us to take that extra step and still get up to the LB's. Remember, our center my senior year was only 240. We played against some 280, 290+ pound Noses and DT's.

[victorybell_57]

i get what you are saying. i just don't know why you would have the right tackle work with the guard if the sam is over the tackle or te area the way your drawing says. if he stacked, then yes, but he wasn't stacked there. like i said, you guys were good at running zone and i am not arguing how you guys did it.
you guys led the hcac in rushing a few times if i am correct, and had some good rb's. if you guys had a qb with some juice in his arm, you guys probably would have done some damage in the playoffs, from an outsider's perspective.

[Adam Sayer]

What your explaining would work too. Like I said, we had the option of making that call and there were many times where Tepee (our RT) would zone stright to the Sam. I was good enough to take the 3 tech and Tepee was good enough to do whatever he wanted. Use what your guys can do. If your RG is struggling with the 3 tech or is a little undersized, chipping is a good option to help him out. If he's a pretty good OL and genuinely doesn't have trouble, don't. But as aiming points go, the LG is looking for the inside of the outside number and the RG is aiming for the outisde of the inside number. The RG does have an easier drive block because where the play hits, the DT fighting back inside to make the play will set himself up to be driven.

When Bresnahan spoke about Thruman Thomas running the ball, he simply said he didn't want to see a defender. It didn't necessarily matter where the OL was positioned on the defenders, as long as there was a body on a body.

Something that I am considering experimenting with, once I get a chance, is crab or scramble blocking  on the outside zone. There's nothing defenders hate more than someone always on their knees. I should know. I cut anytime I could and sometimes when I shouldn't have.

[Adam Sayer]

I do not like to block the bsDE though. I think it's necessary for play action that the fullback takes him or you freeze him by booting the QB backside (which I would do every zone run even if you have single back sets). It also sets up the QB taking the ball himself. If that bsDE starts crashing, simply giving the QB a code word such as 'Snoopy' tells him to fake the zone and boot out and run it backside. Works great.

Don't know if any of you are golf fans, but so far in the first day, there have been some great shots at the US Open and Tiger is struggling...currently hitting the ball from the beach.

[M and L]

v-bell: thats a nice perspective to have

[M and L]

For my high school guys, especially since we see a lot of 50 fronts, is having the guys combo to the lb's and really get the D-line men moving backwards and getting into the LB's way.

Sayer, crab blocking is very effiencent when you have D-Linemen who don't use their hands well.  For me, crab blocking didn't fair against me because I had good hands and wouldn't let you fat linemen into my body.

[SaintsFAN]

Blah, Blah, Blah....just be good at Pass Pro and let us QB's win the games....


Gunslinger..

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Passpro is a whole nother can of worms, with many intracices and steps.  Its alot more complicated than the layperson thinks.   Its more of an art form.

[Adam Sayer]

Just like TMC in 1999. I hear their QB was very concussed at the end of the season.

[victorybell_57]

crab on the backside of outside zone. actually, just cut everybody and keep them down. it works and it's effective. your boy alex gibbs loves that stuff.

for all i know the qb at msj was john elway, i didn't see them very much. just saying they were perceived as a running team with wellendorf catching some passes. i still think those teams were some of the best in the midwest. it went hanover for years, msj, and i am hoping fc here this season. hopefully, whoever it is, can win a playoff game and get this thing going.

does adrian slide or use b.o.b?

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

We use both, along with several other schemes.  Nothing overly complicated, Ill post more on them in a bit.