FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

70_dc_alum · September 14, 2009, 06:08:33 PM

D3 - sorry for delay it took me a couple to agree to follow football after this weekend. every time I follow from High School through the pros lost this weekend except for UC (and 70-3 win was not that enjoyable). OSU / USC was bad enough but i am a die hard Bengals fan too and that capped it for me!!

Not sure what the deal is with DC, still a lot of young guys that play so not sure if there has been turnover of people not returning to school or jsut younger guys are better. they are big and have some experience on the oline but can have issues with Speed. DC has not had a consitent passing QB since 99-2002 when we had that fat QB

(just in case he is reading) who won the conference. we have good RB's and a line with size but when you dont have to worry about a pass over 5yds it is impossible for anyone to run into 9 man fronts. even when we had Luke Dillion a freak at WR that was still a chuck and pray passing game.

they are not too far off just a couople of spots...but they are critical spots. Defense will need to win a couple to beat some of the top tier teams on the schedule. they are not a favorite to win the league but will be the best of the rest and has the skills to beat any of the top if they let DC hang around

Jackets Backer · September 15, 2009, 08:47:02 AM

QuoteNot sure what the deal is with DC, still a lot of young guys that play so not sure if there has been turnover of people not returning to school or jsut younger guys are better. they are big and have some experience on the oline but can have issues with Speed. DC has not had a consitent passing QB since 99-2002 when we had that fat QB (just in case he is reading) who won the conference. we have good RB's and a line with size but when you dont have to worry about a pass over 5yds it is impossible for anyone to run into 9 man fronts. even when we had Luke Dillion a freak at WR that was still a chuck and pray passing game.

they are not too far off just a couople of spots...but they are critical spots. Defense will need to win a couple to beat some of the top tier teams on the schedule. they are not a favorite to win the league but will be the best of the rest and has the skills to beat any of the top if they let DC hang around

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There's not a lot to fear about DC's offense right now - been saying that for years. Passing game is non-existent and the O-Line was completely overmatched against Adrian. Let's call a spade a spade - Adrian's D-Line is ferocious. One of the their defensive ends grew up a half mile from me and I've heard he could play Division I but didn't get any offers coming out of high school b/c of his size (He's as strong as an ox). Adrian's front four is one of the best in the nation, so a lot of teams are going to struggle with them.

You're right, the running backs are good but injuries have slowed them down. A defense can only handle so much after being thrown back onto the field following three-and-out after three-and-out by the O.

I kind of disagree with your last comment. DC's not exactly given the league's top teams (MSJ and Franklin) a lot to fear recently. Yes, they beat MSJ last year but that was the worst team Rod's had in quite some time. Throw Rose into the top tier teams for this year as well and you've got a common theme with all of them ... they all can score a lot of points. Reading what Sayer's said, the Mount can toss it around this year as well. So, you're going to have to score somewhere in the neighborhood of 24 points to compete with those three. Through two games, I've seen no reason to think DC can even score 21 (both TDs Saturday where in gaaaaaaarbaaaaaaaage time). Holding the top-tier teams in your league under 20 points is asking a ton out of your defense with some of the weapons RHIT, Franklin and MSJ showcase.

I'd like to be proven wrong about the DC offense, but I'm just being realistic from what I've witnessed through two games. They're not at a level to compete with the big boys yet in the HCAC. The offense simply needs to pick it up.

SaintsFAN · September 15, 2009, 11:09:43 AM

Defiance will have to score 4TD's + to compete with MSJ, RHIT and Franklin this season. Sounds like thats not going to happen.

I've been away from the boards, not running away from my ND predictions. I do agree they are better than Michigan, talent-wise... but they got beat on Saturday. If Golden Tate catches two of the 4 balls he dropped, ND wins. ND should NOT have let Michigan hang around... I knew after the first half when they moved the ball at will and didn't score ---- they were going to be in for a surprise.

ND will win out... I think they'll get USC at home this year, judging by what I saw from Barkley on Saturday in Columbus. The Irish have 7 more home games (this year being the first time they've used the "ohio state model" for scheduling).

How about MSJ finally having a QB? The competition thus far has been below average (there's your answer Sayer) but I think they've developed enough confidence that it won't matter. Their game against Franklin will be one to see, for sure.

Jackets Backer · September 15, 2009, 11:36:03 AM

QuoteI've been away from the boards, not running away from my ND predictions. I do agree they are better than Michigan, talent-wise... but they got beat on Saturday. If Golden Tate catches two of the 4 balls he dropped, ND wins. ND should NOT have let Michigan hang around... I knew after the first half when they moved the ball at will and didn't score ---- they were going to be in for a surprise.

ND will win out... I think they'll get USC at home this year, judging by what I saw from Barkley on Saturday in Columbus. The Irish have 7 more home games (this year being the first time they've used the "ohio state model" for scheduling).

If Notre Dame's better than Michigan they sure didn't prove it on the FIELD and that's the only place it matters. Not sure ND has more talent either. Forcier is just as good if not better than an experienced Claussen, who has two great receivers. ND's receivers are awesome and better than Michigan's but UM played without it's best receiver (Junior Hemmingway).

Forcier and the Michigan offense made plays when it mattered the most, ND couldn't make those clutch plays when they took possession with around two or three minutes needing only to move the chains once to win.

Totally agree that USC is very beatable. I'd say this is the worst team they've fielded in a while and I give ND a great chance to beat them in South Bend.

frank uible · September 15, 2009, 11:40:17 AM

How many points do I get to take USC?

SaintsFAN · September 15, 2009, 12:22:09 PM

Quote from: frank uible on September 15, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
How many points do I get to take USC?

you would get exactly what the spread is.... and that will be ND+ whatever. Don't think for a minute the people in Vegas are going to give the Irish any respect.

I agree... Michigan won the game. But they aren't better. The Irish shot themselves in the foot the entire game.

I'd take Clausen over Forcier any day... but the Forcier kid does have some moxy. Forcier has better talent around him than Clausen did as a freshman.... he's taken his lumps and the game has slowed down for him.

I'll take experience over flash in the pan anytime...

cave2bens · September 15, 2009, 12:28:54 PM

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 12:22:09 PM

I'll take experience over flash in the pan anytime...

Let me know how that works out for you when you hit 45

I'll settle for any win

Adam Sayer · September 15, 2009, 01:40:32 PM

MSJ's QB has thrown for over 600 yards so far this year...lackluster competition or not, their offense is leaps and bounds over where it was last year.

The Ohio State's schedule in a couple years (I forget if it's 2010, 2011, or 2012) features 8 home games and 4 road games.

Say what you want about losing "the big game" they don't shy way from them during the regular season. They have Miami (FL) and Cal on the schedule the next couple years in a home and home...plus playing Cincinnati again...which may be the next time OSU loses to an in-state team since 1921 when they played Oberlin. Win or lose (recently have been a lot of loses), Ohio state seeks out a quality team to play out of conference...unlike Florida who hasn't left the South outside of a Bowl Game in 15 years.

dc_has_been · September 15, 2009, 02:08:57 PM

SaintsFan- How can you call Forcier a flash in the pan when he's played two games? Right now all he is, is a flash! Claussen still is the better QB & will eventually be a first round draft pick that is for sure, but right now he's 1-2 vs Michigan & Forcier is undefeated

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We'll see what happens in Defiance when the season carries on. They need to get the QB to just look at his first option & if it isn't there they need to tuck & run. He won't have the time or height to check for a second receiver.

SaintsFAN · September 15, 2009, 03:27:22 PM

Quote from: dc_has_been on September 15, 2009, 02:08:57 PM
SaintsFan- How can you call Forcier a flash in the pan when he's played two games? Right now all he is, is a flash! Claussen still is the better QB & will eventually be a first round draft pick that is for sure, but right now he's 1-2 vs Michigan & Forcier is undefeated .

Exactly. Someone else in here brought it up that they'd rather have Forcier over Clausen... ha... well thats what being a fan is all about. Did you know "fan" is short for fanatic? Thats why it was said they'd rather have Forcier.

During the broadcast on Saturday, Matt Millen was comparing him to Joe Montana and Drew Brees... are you serious, Matt? Thats why you are doing Television now and NOT still with the Lions. Prediction --- he will be fired from ESPN, as well.

Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 15, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Say what you want about losing "the big game" they don't shy way from them during the regular season. They have Miami (FL) and Cal on the schedule the next couple years in a home and home...plus playing Cincinnati again...which may be the next time OSU loses to an in-state team since 1921 when they played Oberlin. Win or lose (recently have been a lot of loses), Ohio state seeks out a quality team to play out of conference...unlike Florida who hasn't left the South outside of a Bowl Game in 15 years.

FUKK that, Sayer. Do you think they don't shy away from them?? When did they originally schedule Cal?

Ohio State is SCARED to play Cincy anywhere around the town of Cincinnati. FACT.... UC had to schedule two road games with them, to even keep them on the schedule. This was originally scheduled to be like a Kent State game.... it was before BK took over. Then, during last season's run ..... Ohio State told them they were cancelling the game at Paul Brown unless Cincinnati came to Columbus for their "home game". They didn't seek out the best in scheduling Cincinnati originally, it was scheduled when UC was mediocre... and then they modified it to more of their liking when UC appeared to be becoming the real deal. UC will beat them in Columbus if Tressel is still there. Kelly will run circles around Tressel on gameday.

GRIZ_BACKER · September 15, 2009, 04:26:28 PM

I am no authority on OSU football but Pike will be playing on Sunday before Pryor IMO. The kid from MI appears to be real gamer as well.

Jackets Backer · September 15, 2009, 04:35:24 PM

QuoteI agree... Michigan won the game. But they aren't better. The Irish shot themselves in the foot the entire game.

I'd take Clausen over Forcier any day... but the Forcier kid does have some moxy. Forcier has better talent around him than Clausen did as a freshman.... he's taken his lumps and the game has slowed down for him.

I'll take experience over flash in the pan anytime...

You need to take your shamrock glasses off. Michigan won the game, but they aren't better? That don't make any sense. Where I come from, winning is winning. Man up and admit Michigan won after bugling all week Michigan would be in for a big surprise. You can twist any game and say what if, shoulda, coulda, woulda. The fact is Michigan made more plays when it counted and had about the same amount of yardage as ND. I'd say it was pretty even.

If Claussen's so great, what's his signature win in three years in South Bend ... Hawaii in Hawaii Bowl? Didn' ND lose to Syracuse, Michigan State and got shutout at Boston College last year and have already lost to a good but not anything special Michigan team that's playing freshmen and sophomores everywhere?

Looks like the flash in the pan made the plays Saturday while experience lost.

QuoteExactly. Someone else in here brought it up that they'd rather have Forcier over Clausen... ha... well thats what being a fan is all about. Did you know "fan" is short for fanatic? Thats why it was said they'd rather have Forcier.

I didn't say anything about who I'd rather have. That's to be determined with Forcier's career two games and Claussen's three years. All I said is Forcier made the clutch plays when it mattered the most.

SaintsFAN · September 15, 2009, 04:43:12 PM

ok, I came on here and gave credit to Michigan for the win.... I will not say they are better... they aren't. They made the plays... did I mention they didn't?

I'm saying Notre Dame SHOULD HAVE won this game. Disagree if you want.

I don't wear shamrock glasses.... ask Sayer... I have always been realistic about Notre Dame. He knows in the past what I've said... or you could go back to years past here on my postings, if you want. Most of the people on here know I'm realistic about them.... because I always have been.

Did they make me look bad on Saturday? yes. They have more seasoned talent at Notre Dame and Saturday should have been a gimme. Michigan made more plays. I'm mad, because next year.... Michigan is going to be really tough in South Bend. Saturday was our chance.... and they dropped the ball.

Thats the bottom line.

SaintsFAN · September 15, 2009, 04:45:23 PM

one more thing...

If I was in charge of calling plays, I would've called passes at #33 all day long... he was garbage and I have no idea why Front Butt Chuck stopped throwing the ball at him...

Jackets Backer · September 15, 2009, 04:46:41 PM

QuoteSay what you want about losing "the big game" they don't shy way from them during the regular season. They have Miami (FL) and Cal on the schedule the next couple years in a home and home...plus playing Cincinnati again...which may be the next time OSU loses to an in-state team since 1921 when they played Oberlin. Win or lose (recently have been a lot of loses), Ohio state seeks out a quality team to play out of conference...unlike Florida who hasn't left the South outside of a Bowl Game in 15 years.

Being a UM fan it's hard to back Sayer on this one but everyone has to admit that Ohio State isn't shying away from the big boys. Texas, USC, up and coming Miami program and Cal. That's getting it done in the scheduling department. Something needs to be done about some of the scheduling done by big names. Michigan scheduling Delaware State is a joke. Who freaking cares if they beat some team like that. Look at the excitement a contest like the one Saturday night in C-Bus generated.