FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

Looks like the interesting game this week in HCAC action could be the matchup between Hanover and Mount St. Joe's.

Does anyone think Hanover has a chance in this game?

I know you are not supposed to compare scores of games from common opponents, but they did play Rose down to the wire last week which Mount St. Joes beat by 7, and they both put up over fifty points against Anderson.  I believe their overall record is only 1 - 4, but the overall record for the D3 schools they have played out of conference is about 9 - 2 and D2 Butler is undefeated in which they lost by a similar score that Franklin lost to Butler by.

Could Hanover be the surprise team in the conference this year since they were picked to finish second to last in the pre season ratings.

Just wandering what anybody else's take is on this game.

Go Panthers!!  Just kidding... I do think you're onto something there.  I think most of those questions will be answered after Saturday though..

[Jackets Backer]

Looks like the interesting game this week in HCAC action could be the matchup between Hanover and Mount St. Joe's.

Does anyone think Hanover has a chance in this game?

I know you are not supposed to compare scores of games from common opponents, but they did play Rose down to the wire last week which Mount St. Joes beat by 7, and they both put up over fifty points against Anderson.  I believe their overall record is only 1 - 4, but the overall record for the D3 schools they have played out of conference is about 9 - 2 and D2 Butler is undefeated in which they lost by a similar score that Franklin lost to Butler by.

Could Hanover be the surprise team in the conference this year since they were picked to finish second to last in the pre season ratings.

Just wandering what anybody else's take is on this game.

Go Panthers!!  Just kidding... I do think you're onto something there.  I think most of those questions will be answered after Saturday though..

Was just thinking the same thing this morning and agree as well ... Hanover's on the track back to being respectable each Saturday. I'd say they'd have a chance Saturday if Mount had one of their traditional offenses that scored in the 20s but MSJ is lighting up the scoreboard this year. Never know, maybe MSJ will be looking ahead to their trip to Franklin for the HCAC title a week from Saturday. Come to think of it, I believe Hanover picked them off on the west edge of Cincinnati a few years back in a big upset.

Guess you can throw Manchester into the biggest surprise category as well. Hard team to figure out. Had Trine on the ropes but gave up 48 to Kalamazoo and then beat RHIT. Losing Grimes at QB really hurt and now they're playing a couple of really young kids back there that looked shaky at DC.

[KYGrizzly]

Agree with Manchester also, I think they were picked 5th in the preseason behind Franklin, RHIT, Mount St. Joe's and Anderson who at this time looks to be the biggest dissapointment in the conference.

Will get my first look at Franklin in person this weekend. Will be playing in the homecoming golf scramble on Friday and will stay overnight to take in the game on Saturday.

[formerd3db]

Agree with Manchester also, I think they were picked 5th in the preseason behind Franklin, RHIT, Mount St. Joe's and Anderson who at this time looks to be the biggest dissapointment in the conference.

Will get my first look at Franklin in person this weekend. Will be playing in the homecoming golf scramble on Friday and will stay overnight to take in the game on Saturday.

KYGrizz:

Have a great time at Homecoming.  I did the same i.e. similar schedule as you this past weekend at our Homecoming at Hope.  Friday night recognition dinner for our former coach/recently retired AD with many of my former football teammates, then stayed overnight, played in the alumni lacrosse game in the AM, then attended the H-Club letterman luncheon then helping out at the Homecoming football game.  A busy weekend and your's will be similar but well worth it and enjoyable for you I'm sure (and even more so if your Franklin wins .  Again, best wishes for a nice weekend with your college teammates/friends, etc.

[KYGrizzly]

formerd3db,

As long as there is cool refreshments I'm sure I will have a good time. I am not an alumni but my son is. I will be playing golf with him and a couple other of his buddies. They just told me to bring my putter and they will take care of the rest. I spent enough money for four years that I feel like an honorary alumni.

[Adam Sayer]

I don't think MSJ will be looking past Hanover. MSJ has 2 rivals in my opinion. Hanover and Thomas More. This team may not share the hatred some others have felt, but I'm sure Rod Huber doesn't forget getting his teeth kicked in during some of the early games in this rivalry between 1990-2003. I sure as hell don't forget getting blown out in 2002, then giving up a late TD in 2003 to lose. I also don't forget how good it felt to beat those SOB's for the first time in 2004. If MSJ went 1-9 and that 1 win was against Hanover, the season wouldn't be a complete loss...but that's just me.


Our Offense wasn't bad in 2004. The last 7 games we averaged 33 ppg and 5 of those last 7 games we scored over 30 points (one game we scored 29). It would have been more had our OC listened to us earlier when we told him we were a running team. We were also the only team in MSJ history to score 21+ points in every regular season game.

[GRIZ_BACKER]

I don't think MSJ will be looking past Hanover. MSJ has 2 rivals in my opinion. Hanover and Thomas More. .

Doesn't FC rate as a rival?

[altor]

Who stepped on your ventilator tube, altor? I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist. A pragmatist.

A realist who apparently can't read.  I also said:

If you want to decry the mediocrity, I have no problem with that.  But sometimes, y'all make it sound like this is the worst football team in the world, which is not the case.

I stand by this, even after Saturday.

[70_dc_alum]

The hardest part about building a winner is changing the perception. I don't think that is anything people don't know, however, when was the last time you heard of a coach, who had some years in at a school, turn around the program? It doesn't happen. Turnarounds come about when you bring in someone new. Actually, I don't remember any coach, who had multiple lackluster years at an institution, turn that team into a consistent winning program.

The great example I was part of is MSJ. Prior to Rod Huber being hired, the best year MSJ ever had was 5-4. They had 7 losing seasons, 1 winning season (the 5-4 year), and 2 .500 seasons. Rod was hired, and though the turnabout took time, MSJ is now a rock solid program. Rod was a coach during the bad times, but not the head coach.

I guess what the past states, unfortunately for you DC fans, as long as the current coach is there, you aint gonna win anything.

I wont say i had the playbook of a champion, but what was really dissapointing is after a game where they should have beat Manchester  and done so at a decent margin and they let them come back to win it with a couple minutes left when i stood down by the field right after the game there seemed to be a lot of smiles from players...maybe it was just the guys who ride the pine and the ones who played bolted pissed off to the locker room.  still if you expect to win there is nothing worse than loosing.  i played on a 1-8 team and after a loss i would have kicked a grandmother and punched a little kid i would be so pissed off regardless off if we were playing Mt Union or Helen Kellers school for the blind. 

If you dont have the perception you are going to dominate you wont and it wont hurt when you dont.   Granted i had a boatload of beer in me so my memory was fuzzy but this stood out.

back to the topic of the president.  i give him props.  in all of the years i had played or visited which goes back to 93 i have never seen a president interact with Alums like he tried to.  there is always a large group of alums who venture out to the track and the sideline.  President Gordon also ventured out walked around and indivisually introduced himself to everyone...i know it was uncomfortable (there might have been 10,000 beers consumed between everyone down there pregame) but he did it anyways

[SaintsFAN]

70,

You guys REALLY sucked that year you went 1-8.. How did you ever win that one game and against what team of turds did you emerge victorious?? 

[Jackets Backer]

back to the topic of the president.  i give him props.  in all of the years i had played or visited which goes back to 93 i have never seen a president interact with Alums like he tried to.  there is always a large group of alums who venture out to the track and the sideline.  President Gordon also ventured out walked around and indivisually introduced himself to everyone...i know it was uncomfortable (there might have been 10,000 beers consumed between everyone down there pregame) but he did it anyways

Couldn't have said it better myself. President Gordon's trying very hard and I've seen him at more athletic events in his short time than the old one in five years. He's not shy about mingling with alumni and the students ... he makes a point of doing it. He's going to do the best he can and sure as heck is doing what he can for athletics at DC. Shoot, I heard he was even at a cross country meet the other day. I think people at DC are taking notice of what he's doing and realize he's behind them 100 percent.

[70_dc_alum]

70,

You guys REALLY sucked that year you went 1-8.. How did you ever win that one game and against what team of turds did you emerge victorious?? 

cause it was the only game our QB did not throw a billion INT's.  i think we ended the season averaging nearly 5 INT a game, we were not very good and 5 pick a game made it awful!!  make matters funnier the one win was against one of the better Alma teams they fielded in a long time when Vandermoss was at QB and they were 5-0 coming in .  we were a little pissed about them running the score up the year before (last minute FG up 62-20)

if i rememeber correctly we shoul have beat TMC that year it was close...the only year that was not as close was 99.  Of course TMC was also goingg through a stretch at that time too.

[SaintsFAN]

70,

You guys REALLY sucked that year you went 1-8.. How did you ever win that one game and against what team of turds did you emerge victorious?? 

cause it was the only game our QB did not throw a billion INT's.  i think we ended the season averaging nearly 5 INT a game, we were not very good and 5 pick a game made it awful!!  make matters funnier the one win was against one of the better Alma teams they fielded in a long time when Vandermoss was at QB and they were 5-0 coming in .  we were a little pissed about them running the score up the year before (last minute FG up 62-20)

if i rememeber correctly we shoul have beat TMC that year it was close...the only year that was not as close was 99.  Of course TMC was also goingg through a stretch at that time too.

I was thinking that was the year you got us after coming into the game winless... and blocking a punt while we tried to run the time down. 

[70_dc_alum]

nope that was the following year and that game started a 7 game winning streak for us.  and it also ended the streak of 3 years where we would be up a couple TD's at half and TMC would win by a couple pts at the end...games vs. TMC in the 90's were a curse lfor DC ike that damn goat in Wrigley  until we finnaly made the tackle on the blocked FG and your recievers forgot to catch passes that bruised their chest!!

[Adam Sayer]

We know that wasn't Kevin throwing the ball if bruises were being left on the WR chest.