FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

Someone on a blog stated Brian Kelly will be able to steal recruits away from midwest schools like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. The answer to that is GET REAL. Of the athletes those schools recuit, maybe 60% could academically get into ND...probably a lot less. He won't be stealing any recruits from anywhere.

Personally, if UC offers him approx 2-3 million, plus guarentees all the stuff will be built, I think he stays...dream job or not. I think he's smart engh to realize he has a shot at a BCS game every year at UC...a scenario that isn't the case at ND.

They are going to give BK or whoever is the new coach is more exemptions to get the athletes into school, just as they did under Lou Holtz.  The number of exemptions was up for negotiation but this is a done deal.  ND is tired of losing.  BK or whoever  coaches won't just be able to recruit in the Midwest, it will be a National Recruiting effort.  UC isn't going to give the job to Kerry Combs, he'll be going with BK (if he goes) and the pipeline to ND from Cincy will continue.  The Moeller QB, Elder TE and others already committed to ND say they are committed to the school and not Chuck Weis.  

To be honest, I think Florida, Kelly coaching or not, will wipe the floor with UC. I'm talking a 20-30 point victory. 38 - 17 is my prediction.

This is the only part of your posts that I agree with

[SaintsFAN]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-09-notre-dame-football-dec09,0,4398093.story


BK wants to talk to his team,  nothing will be announced before the Banquet on Thursday. 

[Adam Sayer]

Seems like majority of the bloggers think he will fail too because of the academic requirements to get into ND.

Has ND came out publicly and stated they were going to relax the academic standards? Or did a little birdie tell you this. There might be some ND officials who would like the requirements to be lowered, but I don't think it will happen. I don't see ND, as a whole, compromising the academic integrity of the entire school just for the football team. Not even a couple tenths off the GPA.

I'm not a ND fan, but once upon a time, the Midwest (Notre Dame and the Big 10) was the mecca of college football. Not anymore. It would be nice to earn back that reputation.

[Adam Sayer]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155

This is how TMC does it

[SaintsFAN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155

This is how TMC does it

no... thats how we started it... .now we just kick ass in the rivalry games and conference.  I got your Xmas Present stored in a YMCA locker in Downtown.  The locker number is 2009 and the combination for the padlock is 4217.  You'll like it.  


Seriously though, TMC doesn't need to do this.  The recruits in Cincy know... they have friends/ exteammates at TMC. 

This won't help TMC get in the HCAC:

Sister Stallmeyer (President of TMC) wants a "national title" in football and has committed the resources to doing so.  There's also a new committee being formed (a buddy of mine is on it) and there was a meeting this past Tuesday with this stated goal in mind, to get the wheels rolling.  Its going to be an exciting time for TMC fans and alumni.  Although, winning a national title isn't as easy as just putting resources to it...  BUT, if Hilvert continues kicking everyone's A55 in Cincy on the recruiting trail.  Look for TMC to add a couple game-ready kids from Elder and Anderson for 2010.

[SaintsFAN]

Seems like majority of the bloggers think he will fail too because of the academic requirements to get into ND.

Has ND came out publicly and stated they were going to relax the academic standards? Or did a little birdie tell you this. There might be some ND officials who would like the requirements to be lowered, but I don't think it will happen. I don't see ND, as a whole, compromising the academic integrity of the entire school just for the football team. Not even a couple tenths off the GPA.

I'm not a ND fan, but once upon a time, the Midwest (Notre Dame and the Big 10) was the mecca of college football. Not anymore. It would be nice to earn back that reputation.

a little birdie told me this.  it won't be announced.

and I agree... if they weren't going to change the admissions standards, then they should just keep Weis and play ALL the service academies and hope for 7-5.   

[70_dc_alum]

i saw, i think on ESPN, that Kerry Coombs would likely be the coach for the Sugar Bowl if BK leaves.

[70_dc_alum]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155

This is how TMC does it

no... thats how we started it... .now we just kick ass in the rivalry games and conference.  I got your Xmas Present stored in a YMCA locker in Downtown.  The locker number is 2009 and the combination for the padlock is 4217.  You'll like it.  


Seriously though, TMC doesn't need to do this.  The recruits in Cincy know... they have friends/ exteammates at TMC. 

This won't help TMC get in the HCAC:

Sister Stallmeyer (President of TMC) wants a "national title" in football and has committed the resources to doing so.  There's also a new committee being formed (a buddy of mine is on it) and there was a meeting this past Tuesday with this stated goal in mind, to get the wheels rolling.  Its going to be an exciting time for TMC fans and alumni.  Although, winning a national title isn't as easy as just putting resources to it...  BUT, if Hilvert continues kicking everyone's A55 in Cincy on the recruiting trail.  Look for TMC to add a couple game-ready kids from Elder and Anderson for 2010.

NCAA investigated DC for this same purpose but it quickly ended when the report said using 300lbs women as hostesses was punishment enough and no further action is required. 

Locker comment...classic

Having Admin publically stating i want a Nationwil Championship is a serious advantage in getting players to come.  i have always said being good starts with an admin who wants you to be good.

[Adam Sayer]

I guess we will see. Does my present come with a giant trophy???

As far as Kiffin is concerned, I think this happens a lot. A coach who came to Deer Park when I was in HS brought a cheerleader and a general student (also a girl) with him. He spoke to us about football for about 30 minutes, excused himself to see other recruits in the area and left the 2 girls to tell us about campus life and answer questions we had. I forget the name of the school but I want to say they were from Tennessee (odd coincidence). The problem with Lane Kiffin is he's already been caught for 5-6 minor NCAA violations and as a result, the NCAA is on him like stink on sh!t.

[SaintsFAN]

I guess we will see. Does my present come with a giant trophy???

As far as Kiffin is concerned, I think this happens a lot. A coach who came to Deer Park when I was in HS brought a cheerleader and a general student (also a girl) with him. He spoke to us about football for about 30 minutes, excused himself to see other recruits in the area and left the 2 girls to tell us about campus life and answer questions we had. I forget the name of the school but I want to say they were from Tennessee (odd coincidence). The problem with Lane Kiffin is he's already been caught for 5-6 minor NCAA violations and as a result, the NCAA is on him like stink on sh!t.

It does... but I don't think you'll be seeing that for awhile

[dc_has_been]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that.

[SaintsFAN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that.

Bowl games are for the fans... its an exhibition game.  The season is over at UC and everywhere else.  Outside of the BCS Title game and Rose Bowl, they are as close to meaningless as they can be.  The schools get money and the fans get to travel. 

But I agree... they need a moratorium on coaching changes until a certain date.  But I doubt that happens.


Sayer... I hear Skip Holtz is available for UC..

[Adam Sayer]

Paul Daughtery talk about that in his column today. I think if ever a date is set, it would be Jan 1, the following year. Though there are Bowl Games on/after January 1, forcing a coach to stick it out with a team for that long would most likely keep them around for the Bowl Game and also delay HC hires/announcements. How much recruiting do you lose the month of December anyway? Kids are at home or participating in another sport.

The paper also said Kelly owed UC $1 million...do you think that check will appear in an envelope with a Blue and Gold ND on it

The bad part for UC is they have to start over. A lot of the coaches on Kelly's staff have been with him for a long time and will leave with him to ND including Kerry Coombs (though he hasn't been with Kelly for very long). As soon as Quinn finishes the Sugar Bowl, he'll be on a Jet to South Bend.

Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.

[SaintsFAN]

Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.

Kelly is leaving UC because ND is his dream job.  Irish Catholic guy from Northeast who used to come home from Church on Sundays to listen to the ND highlights on the radio/TV.  The money definitely increased but not as much as you'd think... He only increased to around $3M per year.  He could've gotten $5M. 

Boise St's coach is a good candidate but like you I don't think its a huge step up to UC.  Boise St simply has to go undefeated and they will be in the BCS.  With their schedule, thats probably going to be every 2 out of 3 years.  Kevin Sumlin from Houston, Skip Holtz from ECU, and Butch Jones from CMU are the top choices... unless a wild card like Tommy Tubberville is interested. 

My people are saying that if Quinn doesn't get the UC job --- they are all gone.  Kelly is going to hit Cincy up pretty hard for the Irish... and with exceptions to the academic guidelines, he'll get some speedy defenders up in South Bend.  Or am I not allowed to talk about how important speed is on post patterns?

[formerd3db]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that.

Bowl games are for the fans... its an exhibition game.  The season is over at UC and everywhere else.  Outside of the BCS Title game and Rose Bowl, they are as close to meaningless as they can be.  The schools get money and the fans get to travel.  

But I agree... they need a moratorium on coaching changes until a certain date.  But I doubt that happens.


Sayer... I hear Skip Holtz is available for UC..

Paul Daughtery talk about that in his column today. I think if ever a date is set, it would be Jan 1, the following year. Though there are Bowl Games on/after January 1, forcing a coach to stick it out with a team for that long would most likely keep them around for the Bowl Game and also delay HC hires/announcements. How much recruiting do you lose the month of December anyway? Kids are at home or participating in another sport.

The paper also said Kelly owed UC $1 million...do you think that check will appear in an envelope with a Blue and Gold ND on it

The bad part for UC is they have to start over. A lot of the coaches on Kelly's staff have been with him for a long time and will leave with him to ND including Kerry Coombs (though he hasn't been with Kelly for very long). As soon as Quinn finishes the Sugar Bowl, he'll be on a Jet to South Bend.

Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.

Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.

Kelly is leaving UC because ND is his dream job.  Irish Catholic guy from Northeast who used to come home from Church on Sundays to listen to the ND highlights on the radio/TV.  The money definitely increased but not as much as you'd think... He only increased to around $3M per year.  He could've gotten $5M.  

Boise St's coach is a good candidate but like you I don't think its a huge step up to UC.  Boise St simply has to go undefeated and they will be in the BCS.  With their schedule, thats probably going to be every 2 out of 3 years.  Kevin Sumlin from Houston, Skip Holtz from ECU, and Butch Jones from CMU are the top choices... unless a wild card like Tommy Tubberville is interested.  

My people are saying that if Quinn doesn't get the UC job --- they are all gone.  Kelly is going to hit Cincy up pretty hard for the Irish... and with exceptions to the academic guidelines, he'll get some speedy defenders up in South Bend.  Or am I not allowed to talk about how important speed is on post patterns?

Sorry guys, but I'm with dc_has_been on this one.  Granted DI football is a business in this era, however, that really doesn't matter, nor does it that the ND job for Kelly is his dream job (or any coaching job elsewhere for someone else), or that the bowl games are for the fans.  What really matters, if we're all honest with ourselves and look into the mirror is..."the priniciple of the thing".  At least for me, the way I was brought up is that, you gave someone your word, you follow through to the end.  IMO, Kelly or any coach has the obligation to his players to coach them in the bowl game (unless the Cincinatti administration didn't want him to or ND gave him an ultimatum - those are different situations and if the latter one did happen, then shame on them for not allowing him to start immediately after that).  It was obvious that many UC players felt hurt that he wasn't, even though they knew he was gone regardless when the announcement or decision was made or to be made.

Moreover, I don't buy that in coaching a bowl game it delays in hiring staff or recruiting to any great degree (I know it doesn't because I know many people who know this and/or are have been involved in such situations).  You might lose a player or coach or two, however, most players know deep down where they want to go and unless they're committed to the particular head coach who recruited them - admittedly some are - there are obviously many others who do otherwise as evidenced by some of the current highly recruited ND recruits comming in as they said their main reason for choosing ND was because they "committed to the school and not Coach Weis" i.e. the school and both academic and athletic programs there is what they wanted/were looking for.  Besides, and this is as equally important and true, a tremendous number of assistant coaches at all levels, including DI, get their jobs at the upcoming annual January NCAA meetings - at least get offers and/or selected for interviews - that happens every year without question.

So, while I don't blame Kelly if the ND job was his ultimate goal (although I don't recall him ever saying that when he was thinking about leaving CMU and wanted either the Michigan State job or the Iowa State job - the latter of which he pulled out of consideration), I am extremely disappointed in the way he handled it.  In addition, while I think Michigan State perhaps should have selected him instead of Dantonio (although Dantonio is a good coach, had a prev MSU coaching stint, and the Big Ten at Ohio State of course and that he did well at Cincinnati) do you honestly think that Kelly might have left Michigan State for the ND job, assuming he did as well at Michigan State as he did at Cincinnati?  I question that, although perhaps he would, for the reasons you guys have said.  Regardless, I have lost some respect for Kelly in how he went about this.  That has been the "rap" on him for sometime now, since he started thinking about leaving CMU (and having left Grand Valley State - although being a DI head coach was always his dream it appears).  I now place him in the "Nick Saben" category - a nomad.  In addition and besides, the other factor is...how much $ do you really need?  In that regard, it doesn't matter if he only got a little more than he was making at Cincinnati nor does it matter whether he would have been given the 5M as you suggest that might have commanded or be given regardless of where it was.  Anyway, "it reverts back to the mirror thing" as I alluded to above.  Then again, I guess that everyone has their own aspirations and makes their own choices.   Just MO.