FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[dc_has_been]

FelterSnatch, hilarious with the speed comment ! 

formerd3db, once again well said and agree more with what you said than what I stated earlier. 

+1 for both of you!

[formerd3db]

dc_has_been:
Thanks kind friend.  It sure will be interesting to see how all these other coaching changes (including assistant positions) turn out at the various schools that are in the process.  It is my understanding as of yesterday that Youngstown State has not yet selected their next head coach (although I haven't actually checked on that today).

[Adam Sayer]

Tommy Tuberville, if interested would be the lead candidate. An undefeated season playing in the SEC and a Nat'l Championship (though the BCS didn't acknowledge it nor did he get the Sear's trophy). Good enough cred for me.

[formerd3db]

Tommy Tuberville, if interested would be the lead candidate. An undefeated season playing in the SEC and a Nat'l Championship (though the BCS didn't acknowledge it nor did he get the Sear's trophy). Good enough cred for me.

A valid point there Sayer.

[70_dc_alum]

go after Larry Kehres.  not only is he a stickler for detail like Brian Kelly was, but it will give the rest of D3 a chance

leading candidate is guy from Houston.  Guy from Boise State is not high on the list becuase he has been out there for a long time so his recruiting ties in the midwest are minimal and it would not be that big of a move up for him.

guy from Houston has several intangiables that fit well here, Offense minded and creative was the OC for Oklahoma before becoming the HC at Houston, strong recruiting ties to Texas and Oklahoma (was at A&M before OK), reputation as a monster recruiter, is a minority which i think can provide an advanatage in recruiting as well. 

unless the assistants want to seperate themselves from BK to make their own name they will be out...ND will give them a 3x salary increase too if not more.  i know 10yrs ago they paid 60k for a LB coach.  Front Butt Chuck's assistants got a 1M buyout when they fired them.  i am loyal to my family first, someone offers me that for the same job i am out like a fat kid in dodgeball!!

[Jackets Backer]

Did anyone else catch the ESPN 30-30 special on The U tonight? It was an interesting piece. The Canes had some bad dudes back in the 80s and they let you know about it ... those guys brought some bad intentions to the ballpark ... wow. Man, they ran wild in south Florida and got away with whatever the heck they wanted.

[formerd3db]

Did anyone else catch the ESPN 30-30 special on The U tonight? It was an interesting piece. The Canes had some bad dudes back in the 80s and they let you know about it ... those guys brought some bad intentions to the ballpark ... wow. Man, they ran wild in south Florida and got away with whatever the heck they wanted.

I did watch the program too, and I have to agree with you.  Very interesting and while Schnellenberger and some of the others saved the program, still it is sad to see that some of those players "still don't get it" - they've not grown up nor matured.  IMO, while they were undoubtedly very talented players, as well as the fact that they were given the opportunity to get a free education given that many of them came from some very poor/problematic backgrounds and family situations, some of them still have a somewhat warped sense of thinking/philosophy, which is sad.  One particular statement from one of the players that really stood out was the blatent disregard for the rules.  I'm sorry, but, rules are rules, whether you like them or not and they knew what those were.  If you accept the opportunity to play in the system, you abide by the rules - doesn't mean you can't formulate a way to "protest" and/or try to eventually change the system, but blatent disregard for the rules is, IMO, simply not acceptable or justified - "the ends do not justify the means" as that old saying goes.    As we all know, if everyone did that, the result is not good (can you say anarchy   Also, you could certainly see the bias in some of the opinions, yet that is the way life is.  The other aspect - which again, is just my own opinion - is that some of the coaches were, shall we say, somewhat lax in overseeing the behavior of their players.  Nonetheless, it was a good piece I thought, in documenting the historical aspect of the "revival" of the program.

Other opinions, anyone?

[Jackets Backer]

Did anyone else catch the ESPN 30-30 special on The U tonight? It was an interesting piece. The Canes had some bad dudes back in the 80s and they let you know about it ... those guys brought some bad intentions to the ballpark ... wow. Man, they ran wild in south Florida and got away with whatever the heck they wanted.

I did watch the program too, and I have to agree with you.  Very interesting and while Schnellenberger and some of the others saved the program, still it is sad to see that some of those players "still don't get it" - they've not grown up nor matured.  IMO, while they were undoubtedly very talented players, as well as the fact that they were given the opportunity to get a free education given that many of them came from some very poor/problematic backgrounds and family situations, some of them still have a somewhat warped sense of thinking/philosophy, which is sad.  One particular statement from one of the players that really stood out was the blatent disregard for the rules.  I'm sorry, but, rules are rules, whether you like them or not and they knew what those were.  If you accept the opportunity to play in the system, you abide by the rules - doesn't mean you can't formulate a way to "protest" and/or try to eventually change the system, but blatent disregard for the rules is, IMO, simply not acceptable or justified - "the ends do not justify the means" as that old saying goes.    As we all know, if everyone did that, the result is not good (can you say anarchy   Also, you could certainly see the bias in some of the opinions, yet that is the way life is.  The other aspect - which again, is just my own opinion - is that some of the coaches were, shall we say, somewhat lax in overseeing the behavior of their players.  Nonetheless, it was a good piece I thought, in documenting the historical aspect of the "revival" of the program.

Other opinions, anyone?

I was only five or six when The U was in their heyday back in the 80s and early 90s with the 'Thug' appproach, so I was mesmerized by the show and the stuff those guys did since I hadn't known what went on down there until last night: Selling cocaine, stealing, beating the tar out of anyone that got in their way on and off the field etc. etc. Some teams refused to play them because they were afraid of getting killed on the field. It looked like they picked a fight every week with the other team.

I too found it crazy that the guys they interviewed didn't have any remorse really for what they did during their days in Miami. They really didn't give a darn and still don't. I can't remember if it was Craig Erickson or Steve Walsh that said he saw his teammates one night on their way out to steal radios. R U Serious! I can't believe that kind of stuff was tolerated. You can't tell me the coaches and high ups at Miami didn't know about what was going on in their own backyard? Totally agree that the coaches should've been more active in their approach to discipline. There's no way those players were going to class - not that players do now - but it just baffled me how they got away practically with murder. One part that was interesting was when they talked about Randy Shannon (current Miami coach) handing out the prize pools that were given to players from a rapper for big hits or hurting another team's player. Stuff they were doing on the field would've been arrestable offenses off it.

Winning has become so much more important than how one conducts himself and that's sad. Winning like that would NOT have made me a proud president, AD or coach. I would've been embarrassed by my players antics on and off the field. Too many times I've seen where status quo is win at all cost and Miami certainly lived with that philosophy many years ago.

[formerd3db]

Well said, Jackets Backer. 

[Pat Coleman]

go after Larry Kehres.  not only is he a stickler for detail like Brian Kelly was, but it will give the rest of D3 a chance

Lookin' like you'll have to take Lance Leipold too.

[SaintsFAN]

and they interviewed Lamar Thomas (WR).... you might remember Lamar as the Hurricane Color Analyst who got fired for his comments during the Brawl in 2007.  His commentary during the fight was so disturbing that even Michael Irvin went on record to say that he needs to be fired for it. 

What a loser. 

Of course, I had a Catholics vs. Convicts shirt and remember the beating they gave Gerry Faust on his last game at ND. 

[Jackets Backer]

and they interviewed Lamar Thomas (WR).... you might remember Lamar as the Hurricane Color Analyst who got fired for his comments during the Brawl in 2007.  His commentary during the fight was so disturbing that even Michael Irvin went on record to say that he needs to be fired for it. 

What a loser. 

Of course, I had a Catholics vs. Convicts shirt and remember the beating they gave Gerry Faust on his last game at ND. 

"Now, that's what I'm talking about. You come into our house, you should get your behind kicked. You don't come into the OB [Orange Bowl] playing that stuff. You're across the ocean over there. You're across the city. You can't come over to our place talking noise like that. You'll get your butt beat. I was about to go down the elevator to get in that thing."

Lamar sure is a classy product from The U

[Adam Sayer]

I don't see a problem feeling that way...but when you're the analyst, gotta keep your poise. Maybe he should have gotten some tacos from Griese or asked Jimmy the Greek to find him a "Big Woman" to settle him down.

The Houston coach said he wasn't interested and Turner Gill accepted the job at Kansas. Harbaugh just signed an extension at Stanford (a midwest guy). The Boise coach may not have many midwestern ties, but he wins, recruiting the same area as schools with much nicer facilities and much bigger names (sounds a lot like UC). He can keep recruiting that area and hire some assistants from around the midwest (I hear Coombs would like to stay at UC...that helps recruiting Ohio). Haven't heard anything on Tommy Tuberville in the papers or on ESPN so I don't think he's being considered...but he should be.

Mount Union - Wisc. Whitewater V....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[SaintsFAN]

I don't see a problem feeling that way...but when you're the analyst, gotta keep your poise. Maybe he should have gotten some tacos from Griese or asked Jimmy the Greek to find him a "Big Woman" to settle him down.

The Houston coach said he wasn't interested and Turner Gill accepted the job at Kansas. Harbaugh just signed an extension at Stanford (a midwest guy). The Boise coach may not have many midwestern ties, but he wins, recruiting the same area as schools with much nicer facilities and much bigger names (sounds a lot like UC). He can keep recruiting that area and hire some assistants from around the midwest (I hear Coombs would like to stay at UC...that helps recruiting Ohio). Haven't heard anything on Tommy Tuberville in the papers or on ESPN so I don't think he's being considered...but he should be.

Mount Union - Wisc. Whitewater V....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

So did BK (about ND).  Keep Sumlin in mind for UC

[Adam Sayer]

I don't think Brian Kelly ever said he wasn't interested. He either didn't say anything or said he would "entertain."