FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Jackets Backer]

Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Those were pathetic Michigan teams that still beat ND.  This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ).

[Jackets Backer]

Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ).

I wasn't around during Ufer's days but I'm a huge UM fan and have heard his great calls. Nothing against Frank Beckmann but I wish we had someone like Ufer doing the games now. Give Hoke a couple years, he's already got the top recruiting class for next year. I actually have some faith in in the defense now ... they're not great but much better than the last couple years. I didn't have any with that joker Robinson as coordinator.

[SaintsFAN]

Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Those were pathetic Michigan teams that still beat ND.  This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ).

Ypsi -- Notre Dame was a much different team at the end of last year than they were at ND stadium last September.  The year before was Weis' final season in South Bend --- they were awful in the trenches... ND is alot better on the lines because of some position moves and recruiting... I think they were shocked by the speed of South Florida this past Saturday --- Michigan won't be that fast.  It should be a great game.

BTW... God was really mad at Notre Dame's effort on Saturday.  Enough to halt the game twice... they were playing so shell-shocked that I'm surprised God didn't change the outcome of the ND/Utah game from last year on replay during the delay.

[dc_has_been]

Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Those were pathetic Michigan teams that still beat ND.  This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ).

I agree with both of you that ND isn't that much better and the UM is much improved talent wise, but Michigan is still working out the kinks to a new offense and defense.  The had moments where they looked good and awful last Saturday and that was against Western Michigan.  I feel ND is more established except at QB but both QB are very talented. 

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I'm curious, is the conference really bad this year or is it just a rough non-conference for us? Week 1 we went 2-7 and right now in the Pick 'Em just one of the 7 playing this week have a majority of picks for them (and they're only chosen 3 to 2). In fact in 7 games between 5 pickers (35 chances total) there's a total of 7 HCAC teams chosen and 28 picks for HCAC teams to lose.

[Jackets Backer]

I'm curious, is the conference really bad this year or is it just a rough non-conference for us? Week 1 we went 2-7 and right now in the Pick 'Em just one of the 7 playing this week have a majority of picks for them (and they're only chosen 3 to 2). In fact in 7 games between 5 pickers (35 chances total) there's a total of 7 HCAC teams chosen and 28 picks for HCAC teams to lose.

Honestly, besides Franklin I can't really see how you can call the conference anything but average again after what happend the first week. Mike Leonard has put together a pretty good program and so has Rod Huber at the Mount and I'd say you can call both really good the last four or five years. Defiance and Bluffton's losses weren't exactly impressive with both losing badly to teams that annually finish near the bottom of their conferences.

With three HCAC teams playing teams in the top 22, there's a chance for the HCAC to make some noise.

[cave2bens]

Appears from abroad that today's performance on the scenic shore of Wohn's Pond (DC for any unfamiliar with the back 40, John Manville backdrops, and Doc's cornfield for those of an earlier era) was another less than auspicious example of gridiron savvy by the Jackets?  Had no links, thanks to advanced Chinese technology in Suid Afrika, and finally caught the latest Adrian plop into Defiance touch realm when livestats suddenly popped up.  Gig me for cynicism, but what's with the SOS, "one trick pony?"  Predictability anyone?  Geez - @ 3.1/attempt and an anemic 8 per completion, maybe some originality or even antique fossil archaeology might be in order?

See Bluffton gave Tri State (oops, excuse an old codger's forgetfulness of benevolence  )  a bit of a run, which is great to see, and yes Franklin was picking on a loaded deck.  Will be interesting on how everything plays out.  Cheers!

[Thunder44]

Appears from abroad that today's performance on the scenic shore of Wohn's Pond (DC for any unfamiliar with the back 40, John Manville backdrops, and Doc's cornfield for those of an earlier era) was another less than auspicious example of gridiron savvy by the Jackets?  Had no links, thanks to advanced Chinese technology in Suid Afrika, and finally caught the latest Adrian plop into Defiance touch realm when livestats suddenly popped up.  Gig me for cynicism, but what's with the SOS, "one trick pony?"  Predictability anyone?  Geez - @ 3.1/attempt and an anemic 8 per completion, maybe some originality or even antique fossil archaeology might be in order?

See Bluffton gave Tri State (oops, excuse an old codger's forgetfulness of benevolence  )  a bit of a run, which is great to see, and yes Franklin was picking on a loaded deck.  Will be interesting on how everything plays out.  Cheers!

So, the battle is on next week in the HCAC with Hanover (0-2) travelling to Defiance (0-2).  Who gets their first win of the season?

[BUBeaverFan]

The HCAC stands at 3-13 versus non-conference opponents. Yikes! Hanover and MSJ can hopefully get the conference to 5-13 before the end of the season. 

[SaintsFAN]

from my position --- I saw SOME of Hanover yesterday, had to leave to get to a wedding. From what I saw, TMC outmatched them physically.  Maybe they are a young team and this explains the physical disparity?  I'm not sure, and maybe the league as a whole has young teams...

One thing is for sure, anyone can lose to anyone --- look at Wesley v. Kean yesterday for proof.

[badgerwarhawk]

Good luck Franklin Griz

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Good luck Franklin Griz

I saw your post over on the West board.  Thanks for the props on the atmosphere, tailgating, and fan friendliness.  Tough loss for Franklin but the experience will certainly be helpful in conference play.

[MasterJedi]

I was looking forward to some Franklin fan's analysis of the game, especially from those that were there or who watched the game but so far there's been none. I honestly thought the game would be closer, like bleedperuple's prediction of 38-17 and was surprised when Franklin didn't score. So, if possible, could some of you Franklin fan's bring in your analysis of the game?

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

It looked to me like UWW was just too big and too strong on the lines. They were able to stop the run and get to the QB on defense and were able to run pretty well and keep Franklin from applying much pressure of their own. Jonny West looked like he'll be a fine QB in the future as he threw some nice passes , but there were just as many times where he looked like a sophomore making his 2nd start. Game looked good in the 1st quarter, but quick back to back turnovers deep in our own end let UWW get out 21-0 and we were just never in it after that.

Watching the Colts play at Houston this afternoon I thought I was watching a replay of yesterday. Giving up the first score of the game then 2 straight turnovers deep leading to TD. Yesterday Franklin was down 35-0 at halftime, Colts were down 34-0 today. At least Indy managed to score and not give up any more points in the 2nd half.