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[GRIZ_BACKER]

You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh!




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt!

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!

Good to see the GRIZ prove the "experts" at d3football.com wrong as well.  It was pretty unanimous that Adrian was going to win pre-game if you read this site.  the 42-10 was even that close as FC called off the dogs early in the 4th.

The GRIZ have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years and have won a first round game in 3 of those years. The first round losses were to North Central on last play of the game and UWW.  The other losses were to UWW, and Wheaton.  Mary Hardin Baylor awaits. No one has played as many of the powers the last 24 months or so than FC.

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

The GRIZ aren't afraid to play the best year in and year out. Anybody that thinks SOS is true indicator of a teams strength is naive. Franklin is not really a 5 nor a 6 regardless of the formula.  On to TX. 

[gofor7pitt]

You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh!




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt!

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!

Good to see the GRIZ prove the "experts" at d3football.com wrong as well.  It was pretty unanimous that Adrian was going to win pre-game if you read this site.  the 42-10 was even that close as FC called off the dogs early in the 4th.

The GRIZ have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years and have won a first round game in 3 of those years. The first round losses were to North Central on last play of the game and UWW.  The other losses were to UWW, and Wheaton.  Mary Hardin Baylor awaits. No one has played as many of the powers the last 24 months or so than FC.

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

The GRIZ aren't afraid to play the best year in and year out. Anybody that thinks SOS is true indicator of a teams strength is naive. Franklin is not really a 5 nor a 6 regardless of the formula.  On to TX.

Totally agree!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

[SaintsFAN]

Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin. 

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin.

Tall order for sure. Looking forward to seeing a different D3 power.  Good measuring stick to see where FC is at since start of season.  With vast majority of starters coming back in 2013 could be a game whereby FC stakes a claim to leapfrog in the 2013 polls a few of the annual "name recognition" teams that FC always starts behind.

[umhb2001]

Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin.

Good to see the talk about The Cru on here. UMHB is a physical team and will come out firing. LiDarral Bailey, our QB, is playing very well this year only giving up 3 Ints for the year and has completed a high percentage of passes. He also runs very well. Darius Wilson and the other RBs are quick and look to lay the wood and not receive it. Our defense is bolstered by possible D3 defensive player of the year, senior Javicz Jones. He makes plays and is all over the field, and our DB's bring the lumber and cover well. They've been getting stronger, and the passing yards given up are mostly after the 2nd 3rd team D's are on the field. We stop the run well, and I see y'all run well, so that will be a deciding factor. Our size on the D and OL is not indicative of our play. We also run backups in often. So we are deep there.

I look forward to seeing a new team. If any are making the trip and need any local advice, let me know. We will have video of the game if you can't make it. Safe travels, see y'all soon.

[wesleydad]

Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin.

Good to see the talk about The Cru on here. UMHB is a physical team and will come out firing. LiDarral Bailey, our QB, is playing very well this year only giving up 3 Ints for the year and has completed a high percentage of passes. He also runs very well. Darius Wilson and the other RBs are quick and look to lay the wood and not receive it. Our defense is bolstered by possible D3 defensive player of the year, senior Javicz Jones. He makes plays and is all over the field, and our DB's bring the lumber and cover well. They've been getting stronger, and the passing yards given up are mostly after the 2nd 3rd team D's are on the field. We stop the run well, and I see y'all run well, so that will be a deciding factor. Our size on the D and OL is not indicative of our play. We also run backups in often. So we are deep there.

I look forward to seeing a new team. If any are making the trip and need any local advice, let me know. We will have video of the game if you can't make it. Safe travels, see y'all soon.

umhb d line was the difference in the wesley game this year.  they were able to bottle up the run -4 yards.  bailey also made 2 individual plays that led to td's which turned out to the be the difference in the game.  franklin must avoid turnovers and get a couple, but if the griz can do that they have a chance and i am on record as believing the umhb may be the top team in the country this year.  i am all for a griz win and a trip for you all to lovely dover de next week against wesley, i would love another home game this year.  good luck this week, enjoy the trip to belton if you go, real nice people and real good bbq.

[SaintsFAN]

I'm not a Franklin fan or alum but I do enjoy what they have been doing.

My question is: what is going to happen if Bailey gets nicked up and misses extended time.  From what I'm hearing MHB is not as strong as their past teams in certain areas and that Bailey and Jones have raised their level of play to be in the race for the POTY discussions and this has carried MHB. What are a couple of weaknesses outside of backup QB??

One thing about MHB having given up yardage and points by the 2nd team: it tells me their starters haven't played in a super close game this season, outside of Wesley. Pressure and conditioning could come into play if this game is close with the style of offense and pace Franklin uses. I think for these reasons a 4 quarter tight game favors Franklin. Just my opinion.

[formerd3db]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

[wesleydad]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

[formerd3db]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

weslydad:

I hear where you are coming from.  Every team has a game where they barely beat someone they should have trounced - it happens every year.  And your team beats up on hapless teams likee Mount Ida yet squeeks by the likes of Lousiana College and Birmingham Southern.  My statement was based on a "gut feeling" for this game (I should have clarified that part), but I never said Wesley can't win that game.  What is fact is that your team, IMO, which was a fantastic team the past 3-4 years has faltered when it gets to the semifinals and I really thought they would win one of those and was rooting for them (that's like my Hope getting to the men's national championship game 2 out of 3 years in basketball and losing both, as compared to our rival Calvin which has won two men's titles, which is very disappointing - great to get there, but not quite until we win it all; or Rowan's history in the Stagg Bowl or the Buffalo Bills in the Super Bowl, etc).  So in that regard, as I mentioned, I will believe it when I see it for Wesley.  Maybe it will happen this year.  But again, I could be wrong - hope your team shows that this weekend.   You know as well as I do that anything can happen on these Saturdays.  Anyway, good luck this weekend. 

[Raider 68]

Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO!

[roocru]

Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO!

Sounds similar to comments made in 2004, IMHO!

[Pat Coleman]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

Huh? The only playoff games Wesley has lost in the past few years have been Mount Union, UW-Whitewater and Mary Hardin-Baylor.

[Pat Coleman]

Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO!

There are some pretty good offenses in the ASC, 68. Whereas the OAC is so far down four coaches have been cut loose since the start of the season. Can't go on numbers alone here -- the ASC is like the Little 12 down there.