FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[umhb2001]

Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO!

But who have they played? We've faced some prolific offenses.

[SaintsFAN]

Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO!

There are some pretty good offenses in the ASC, 68. Whereas the OAC is so far down four coaches have been cut loose since the start of the season. Can't go on numbers alone here -- the ASC is like the Little 12 down there.

This. Well said, Pat.

[SaintsFAN]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The problem I've seen from Franklin in these big games, whether UWW, Mount, or even against Wheaton in the quarterfinals in 08, is the offense struggles the first 3 drives and they fall behind a couple scores. Then they try to play catchup the rest of the game and start making more mistakes or at best just trade scores.
If they can score early and get into a rhythm on offense it could be first to 60 wins... if they fall behind a couple TD in the 1st quarter it's going to be a 55-21 kind of score.

[umhb2001]

I'm not a Franklin fan or alum but I do enjoy what they have been doing.

My question is: what is going to happen if Bailey gets nicked up and misses extended time.  From what I'm hearing MHB is not as strong as their past teams in certain areas and that Bailey and Jones have raised their level of play to be in the race for the POTY discussions and this has carried MHB. What are a couple of weaknesses outside of backup QB??

One thing about MHB having given up yardage and points by the 2nd team: it tells me their starters haven't played in a super close game this season, outside of Wesley. Pressure and conditioning could come into play if this game is close with the style of offense and pace Franklin uses. I think for these reasons a 4 quarter tight game favors Franklin. Just my opinion.

I posted this on another board, but the backup QB's for UMHB are both good. They obviously don't fill LB's shoes, but Jake can throw the ball. When he has had an opportunity, he has done well. Brian Gallagher also can throw and run. So, in my opinion, if something were to happen to LB, then these two would probably alternate. Sims would get the first go. Other than that, which I would say any backup QB is going to be a step down from the starter, passing D would be a weakness. There are times we struggle on the deep ball.

Our starers played the whole game against Wesley and HSU. Those two games, plus the TLU game really pushed us, plus the LC game and most likely this Franklin College game. Our guys will be ready for four quarters. It will be interesting to see the comparison to UMHB and UMU as they played Franklin earlier.

[umhb2001]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

UMHB played the game of their season against Wesley. Wesley has been their goat for a number of years, and for LB to step up on that game really showed leadership and poise. Bailey also stepped up against HSU when we fell behind midway through the 4th. In the past, our resiliency has been strained as we haven't had the ability to play catch up against formidable teams. This year is different.

[formerd3db]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

Well said, SaintsFAN.   Indeed, it will be interesting to see how these games play out.  As to the semifinals, I don't doubt that most of our fellow posters on d3fb.com have given good thought to and their made up their tentative choices as to who they think those four teams will be.  Personally, as to my own opinion, I am not quite sure as yet, other than perhaps Mount Union.  I am anxious to see which teams might start to have that hot streak as they progress through the playoffs, perhaps similar to what the Giants did in the NLCS and then World Series.  As you mentioned, there may be some sleepers/surprises. If Wesley beats Cortland in their game, I think they indeed will be one of those. As to Franklin, what do you see as their chances against MHB (FCGrizzlies has mentioned his take on that)? 

[umhb2001]

Great article on the front page about Franklin. Bought my tickets today. Lets go!!

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Great article on the front page about Franklin. Bought my tickets today. Lets go!!

Group of us traveling down on a charter bus thurs night and staying with team Friday eve.  Besides shoepfs BBQ what are some other Belton establishments?

[gofor7pitt]

Great article on the front page about Franklin. Bought my tickets today. Lets go!!

Group of us traveling down on a charter bus thurs night and staying with team Friday eve.  Besides shoepfs BBQ what are some other Belton establishments?

My wife's family lives in Austin.  I never leave without visiting "Rudy's".  There is one in Killeen not too far from Belton.

[SaintsFAN]

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

Well said, SaintsFAN.   Indeed, it will be interesting to see how these games play out.  As to the semifinals, I don't doubt that most of our fellow posters on d3fb.com have given good thought to and their made up their tentative choices as to who they think those four teams will be.  Personally, as to my own opinion, I am not quite sure as yet, other than perhaps Mount Union.  I am anxious to see which teams might start to have that hot streak as they progress through the playoffs, perhaps similar to what the Giants did in the NLCS and then World Series.  As you mentioned, there may be some sleepers/surprises. If Wesley beats Cortland in their game, I think they indeed will be one of those. As to Franklin, what do you see as their chances against MHB (FCGrizzlies has mentioned his take on that)?

They've got a mathematical chance.  They have to take care of the football, though.  Without that, there's no chance.  I think Bailey is too much, though.  He's the most dynamic playmaker the Grizz will see this year. 

[umhb2001]

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! I hope you have a great couple of days!! I'm thankful for friends on the D3 boards that I've never met! God bless.

[dc_has_been]

Happy thanksgiving to all the d3 faithful!

[formerd3db]

Happy thanksgiving to all the d3 faithful!

You too, dc_has_been and also to everyone else here on the HCAC board.  Enjoy the day whatever you do.

[Li'l Giant]

Best of luck to Franklin tomorrow! I'll be pulling for y'all!