FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Does parking revenue (if any) and concessions go to the NCAA or stay with the home team?

[badgerwarhawk]

Parking and concessions stay with the host.

[SaintsFAN]

I stand corrected.

Its still a SILLY, SILLY reason to quit an active rivalry that has gone as far as to have TWO trophies created for the winner.

And the way it was done in May was gutless.  Football teams take after their coaches personalities.

[wally_wabash]

Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday? 

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday?

We have no chance to win. We are just an HCAC team.  We are just glad to have a place to tailgate another weekend.

[BashDad]

#honest

[wally_wabash]

Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday?

We have no chance to win. We are just an HCAC team.  We are just glad to have a place to tailgate another weekend.

Yeah, you totally misread me.  I don't care what league you play in.  Good teams can exist in any league.  Franklin is good.  I'm genuinely curious to know what Franklin does well, what weaknesses they might see in Wabash to go after, etc.  I'm not trying to run you down here...just want to get some talk going about one of the more intriguing first round games on Saturday. 

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday?

We have no chance to win. We are just an HCAC team.  We are just glad to have a place to tailgate another weekend.

Yeah, you totally misread me.  I don't care what league you play in.  Good teams can exist in any league.  Franklin is good.  I'm genuinely curious to know what Franklin does well, what weaknesses they might see in Wabash to go after, etc.  I'm not trying to run you down here...just want to get some talk going about one of the more intriguing first round games on Saturday.

There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.  Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and good LB's. From a skill position perspective there is no one player that stands out.  3-4 RBs, 4-5 decent receivers.  A QB who is not flashy but can conistent throws and make plays with his feet.  The GRIZ are a solid overall team with no glaring weaknesses but no over the top strengths.  Many/most of the starters have been playing regular minutes for 2-3 seasons and have played against some of the best competition (the last 3 seasons the Griz have played Mount twice, Butler twice, UWW three times and UMHB once). Statistically an argument can be made that tilt towards Wabash and they do have home field.  I wouldn't want to wager a lot of money either way IMO.  My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

[BashDad]

There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.

Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game.

[GRIZ_BACKER]

There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.

Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game. On paper, it's 100-0.

If the line is Wabash -100 then I am thinking I might have to take the Griz and points.

[jknezek]

There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.

Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game. On paper, it's 100-0.

If the line is Wabash -100 then I am thinking I might have to take the Griz and points.

If BashDad is making that line, I want in on it too.

[BashDad]

Let's get real.

On paper, the line my prediction is 42-10. That's on paper.

In real life, I'd say it's somewhere around 31-17.

[wally_wabash]

There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.  Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and good LB's. From a skill position perspective there is no one player that stands out.  3-4 RBs, 4-5 decent receivers.  A QB who is not flashy but can conistent throws and make plays with his feet.  The GRIZ are a solid overall team with no glaring weaknesses but no over the top strengths.  Many/most of the starters have been playing regular minutes for 2-3 seasons and have played against some of the best competition (the last 3 seasons the Griz have played Mount twice, Butler twice, UWW three times and UMHB once). Statistically an argument can be made that tilt towards Wabash and they do have home field.  I wouldn't want to wager a lot of money either way IMO.  My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

I'd like to address the bolded, and in particular the Franklin Grizzly defense, currently ranked 200th in Division III in total defense.  200 is not a ranking that gets "no glaring weaknesses" gloss.  That is a glaring weakness.  That is the lowest ranked total defense in the field of the 32.  I'll hang up and listen. 

[Dr. Acula]

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that.

Couldn't the same thing have been said about the Wabash/Witt game?  I know I was guilty of thinking Wabash would win by more than a score there.  That being said I still think Wabash wins by a couple scores Saturday.   

[wally_wabash]

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that.

Couldn't the same thing have been said about the Wabash/Witt game?  I know I was guilty of thinking Wabash would win by more than a score there.  That being said I still think Wabash wins by a couple scores Saturday.   

Wittenberg has a stout defense, supported by rankings in the top 50 of all major defensive categories.  There was evidence going in to that game that Wabash might have trouble scoring a ton of points.  The deal there was grind out 2-3 TDs, don't give anything easy to Witt, and Wabash wins.  Did not accomplish the second part of that. 

Franklin's defense has been yielding yards and points aplenty all season long.  I don't know how/why that would stop on Saturday.  I think the onus here is on Welp to figure out how to score 30 on Wabash's defense- because I think it'll take that many to have a shot. 

Here are the list of teams Wabash played that give up as many or more yards per game than Franklin:
Oberlin
Allegheny
Full stop.