FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

Sir Battlescars · April 16, 2015, 02:33:52 PM

Just saw that the Cincinnati Bengals invited a couple of players from Mount St. Joe's to what they call a "local" Pre-draft workout. What they mean by local is a player who played at a college and/or high school in or around Cincinnati. #BringItD3

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-to-host-25-local-players-to-annual-pre-draft-workouts/c6ed72d9-8120-4852-9969-1191c078d62b

SaintsFAN · May 26, 2015, 10:43:37 AM

Looks like MSJ will be playing 1st year Football program, Finlandia University (MI) with their 10th game.

http://www.fulions.com/news/2015/4/1/Finlandia-Football-Spring-Practice-2015.aspx

Sir Battlescars · May 26, 2015, 01:56:02 PM

It's Finlandia's third game of the season vs. Whitewater that really jumps out at me. Ouch! That's gonna hurt.

SaintsFAN · May 26, 2015, 04:10:51 PM

Quote from: Sir Battlescars on May 26, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
It's Finlandia's third game of the season vs. Whitewater that really jumps out at me. Ouch! That's gonna hurt.

They are in for a rough season. They only have 24 players in school for the spring semester. They'll be very young. MSJ should even beat them, but I doubt its going to be a 75-6 kinda game.

Dr. Acula · May 26, 2015, 06:22:48 PM

MSJ would rather play teams like Finlandia than the Bridge Bowl. If I was an alum of that Mount instead I would have already emailed the AD. That's embarrassing.

D3FTBALLFAN · June 01, 2015, 10:23:33 PM

I could not agree more with you Dr. Acula! Someone can correct me if I am wrong wasn't the reason they dropped TMC was to get a more National schedule?

SaintsFAN · June 02, 2015, 11:07:25 AM

Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on June 01, 2015, 10:23:33 PM
I could not agree more with you Dr. Acula! Someone can correct me if I am wrong wasn't the reason they dropped TMC was to get a more National schedule?

No. They dropped TMC to have a winnable non conference game instead. Their goal is to host a playoff game for the revenue and getting their face smashed in week 11 would never allow them to host a playoff game. Note that they don't want to be competitive in the playoffs, they just want to host a home playoff game.

The HC left the vote up to the staff and only one of them voted to continue playing (he was a former player and frequent board contributor).

sigma one · June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM

There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens. The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break. If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of. Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year. A second conference team will surely be on the road. After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

SaintsFAN · June 03, 2015, 03:46:44 PM

Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens. The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break. If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of. Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year. A second conference team will surely be on the road. After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

oh I agree..

Adam Sayer · June 29, 2015, 11:16:08 PM

Quote from: Dr. Acula on May 26, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
MSJ would rather play teams like Finlandia than the Bridge Bowl. If I was an alum of that Mount instead I would have already emailed the AD. That's embarrassing.

Emailing the AD wouldnt make any difference and I can assure you, many, many alumni were not happy and are not happy with the state of the program. As Kevin said, only 1 coach voted to continue playing but it's best they probably didn't. If my teaching schedule would allow, I'd come back to coach there. I loved my time there and it was much more fun coaching in college than it was HS but they are becoming a downward spiral based off what I hear now.

GrizFan · June 30, 2015, 10:58:55 AM

Looks like MSJ has a pretty good recruiting class coming in. Now if they can just keep them in the program.

SaintsFAN · July 02, 2015, 08:17:36 AM

Quote from: GrizFan on June 30, 2015, 10:58:55 AM
Looks like MSJ has a pretty good recruiting class coming in. Now if they can just keep them in the program.

They do? I mean, I think its a decent class for losing their stud recruiter in the middle of recruiting season.

Adam Sayer · July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM

Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens. The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break. If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of. Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year. A second conference team will surely be on the road. After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

wally_wabash · July 13, 2015, 10:00:10 AM

Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens. The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break. If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of. Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year. A second conference team will surely be on the road. After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

Does MSJ keep students on campus for part of the Thanksgiving week? I don't think most schools do this, hence, most kids bolt for home the day before that first round game.

GrizFan · July 13, 2015, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens. The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break. If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of. Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year. A second conference team will surely be on the road. After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

The first round playoff games usually have well-below average attendance at nearly all venues. The Wabash crowd was below average, past Franklin home playoff games were also below average. I looked at several games last season and they were all poorly attended (below average).