FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

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M and L:

You will definitely be rooting for TMC until week 10 and then you'll want MSJ to kick there ass.  The nice thing is that both can make the playoffs no matter who wins.  It is truely a free playoff game.  I found myself calling plays against my school in 2002 and that was very odd.  My saving grace was that we were the Blue Rebels when I was there not the Saints, we played at Galbraith Field instead of on campus, and I didn't have many common faces to go against.  It felt pretty distant actually.  It's going to be a lot harder for Hilvert this 1st year going back to MSJ in week 10.  Everything will fade away after that except you former players.  Maybe some former MSJ players will even coach at TMC one day.  I speak from experience.

[The Rev]

i would like to say congrats to hilvert and TMC.  as everyone has already stated TMC got a great quality coach that is going to improve their team.  someone mentioned about him keeping the DC there which he might but i can't see jimmy letting anyone else call his defense. someone might have the label of DC but i think jim will keep his defensive duties.  yes hilvert will have more responsibilities to deal with but at MSJ he was practically the head coach over there.  it is going to be interesting to see how the recruiting is going to go.  i think MSJ is going to lose some good ball players to TMC now b/c every past MSJ player would agree that hilvert was one of the top reasons why they went there.  after talking to some MSJ coaches last year about recruiting they were telling me how the TMC financial aid packages were much much better then MSJ.  they told me how they lost some players to TMC solely on money situations.  so with TMC having better financial aid packages and an in your face going to push you to your limits coach i could see TMC possibly winning their conference next year and making a trip to the playoffs.

[victorybell_57]

thanks, he is a guy just looking to get into college coaching. young guy, some would even say a young buck. i'll let you guys know if he gets one.

[SaintsFAN]

rev,

You got this financial aid deal a little twisted, bro.  Thomas More was the team that was coming up $6,000-$7,000-$8,000 short on financial aid packages over the past 10 years...each player that was offered by both Thomas More and Mount St. Joe can fill you in on that---if they haven't been drinking the same kool aid that you have been. 

No offense brother, but thats just not the case. 

[The Rev]

saints fan well i guess the MSj coaches are drinking the same thing as me b/c here are the exact words from a MSJ coach last offseason "it was cheaper for this recruit to dorm at TMC than commute to MSJ"  now to me that sounds like a better financial aid package.  and this recruit went to TMC instead of the mount.  also this same coach told me that TMC was offering better packages than the mount was for various reasons.  now the packages may have been better in the past but recently it seems like TMC has that edge now.  most of you know which coach i am talking about FYD.  things can change and i guess financial aid packages are no exception

[victorybell_57]

well then the tmc average student body must be getting darn close to the same packages. as stated in my earlier fights with the hc crowd (just because i like picking on them), they stated (correctly) that the student body must receive the same averages as the athletes. otherwise it would be considered an athletic scholarship.

the ncaa has a system of checks and balances for this sort of thing. they check records to make sure similar students are not getting higher aid and that they play sports, which could be red flag. to quote the program, they ncaa has a system in place for this sort of thing, i suggest that we let them handle it. however, if you feel so strongly about it, you can file a complaint and be sort of a whistle blower. we can call you deepthroat.

[The Rev]

yes i wasn't directly saying that the athletes were getting better packages i was just stating that TMC had better packages than MSJ it had nothing to do with athletics i nthat way the only connection to athletics i was making was that some students make their final decision on which college will be cheaper for them and if TMC is giving th ebetter aide then that might steal a few from the mount

[Adam Sayer]

I'm sittin here in west virginia after watching some of the worst officiating in wrestling history. I already plan on kicking an officials a$$ tomorrow. I think as MSJ guys, we knew this day was comming. Maybe not at TMC but we knew the day Jim Hilvert became a HC was coming. Sooner than later too. I have no remorce for TMC. I have many friends who have attended their and have gotten along with their coaches and players. I hope he does well, except for week 11. 10-0 MSj vs 10-0 TMC. HOW BOUT DAT.

Also, the financial packages are about equal. Back in the day (2000) MSJ gave me a better deal than TMC, I'm sure it switches every couple years.

SaintsFan...no more RTD

[SaintsFAN]

some students make their final decision on which college will be cheaper for them and if TMC is giving th ebetter aide then that might steal a few from the mount
And Rev,

What I am telling you is its the OTHER WAY AROUND.   So there's no such thing as a GCL Grant?

Agree to disagree. 


Sayer,

You were already a TMC fan basically except for week 11...so what changes for you? 

Seriously though sorry to hear about your experience in WV...do you expect much less down there?

[tepee]

congrats, to coach Hilvert.  He is a hell of a coach and even a better person.  He needs to get the mascot changed back to Blue Rebels, or even better TMC Hitmen!  How bout that!

[Adam Sayer]

You can tell by looking at some of those kids that their families are a little "too" close. I'm an ugly bastard and I look like George Clooney compared to these guys. I did throw a rule book onto the mat on Saturday and told the official to learn how to read. That cost me a team point and was threatend to be removed from the tournament. I belive when Huber was the wrestling coach, he used the line once when an official threatend to take away a team point: "take em all, I don't f'in need em."

I guess nothing really changes at all, but if I'm Rod, I'm looking for another coach with some strong Cincy Area connections. Hilvert's relationship with area coaches is going to help recruiting big time...almost like Coombs at UC.

[70_dc_alum]

Sayer i like the move but the high School refs are not quite as nice when it comes to smart ass comments...still funny though.

sitting here waiting for the playoff games and found the Program on Starz.  Tim Wayman just went to the house to take the lead in the Hiseman chase.

VB sorry for being quiet been travelling a lot start of the year sucks in sales becuase you have to attend 20 planning meetings.  although the next 2 week should be a riot.  3 day meeting at the Mohegan Sun Casino next week then 5 days in Waikiki for another meeting...rough i know

[Adam Sayer]

When your dealing with kids (most of these officials were in their young 20's) and they are on a power trip, you gotta insult them or embarrass them in front of someone. Arguing isn't going to do any good. It's like banging your head against a wall. I gave up a team point but we wern't going to win a team championship anyways. It took this kid about 3 seconds to pick his jaw off the mat to tell me I lost a team point and anything else would get me removed. The best part was later in the evening after the HS kids finished, he found me in the hall to talk to me. I told him I didn't teach literacy, I taught math and to leave me alone.

[The Rev]

what a hell of a game that late game was. finally manning has that silverback down graded to just a monkey on hi sback with that gime winning drive against the pats.  i think it makes for an interesting super bowl matchup but the bears pass defense has looked a little suspect the past two weeks but their running game has looked solid.  but this is three straight games the colts defense has held the opposing team to under 100 yards rushing.  they have stepped it up and jus tneed one more big game.  i think dungy will plan on just stopping the run and try to let rex beat him.  the tackles for the bears don't look like they will be able to hand the pass rush of freeny that well.  i think the cotls are going to win it all this year and they will win by 3

[M and L]

Ya, but the Colts gave up like 82 yards in the first half.  Don't know why the Pats gave up on the run game in the second half.