FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

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Kygrizz:

No problem.  I actually had heard that about Olivet, thats been a topic on them before. 

On another note Franklin had one of the nicest stadiums i played in in my career, the red brick and fencing is really a nice touch and it lends itself to the DIII game day atmosphere.  The fans in the endzone taunting the whole game were also a nice touch, some people just feed off of that.  Franklin had a decent team that year (03-04) and you could tell they were building for the future with the offense they were running, its good to see that it has paid some dividends and they are now contending.

[dc_has_been]

I agree w/ 70dcalum about Carr.  It doesn't matter what kind of program you run, it depends on bowl games & beating OSU which of lately Carr is having a hard time accomplishing. 

It is pretty sad to hear (if true) that DC is resorting to trying to tape scrimmages when it isn't permitted.  I would hope that this is only a rumor.

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I agree w/ 70dcalum about Carr.  It doesn't matter what kind of program you run, it depends on bowl games & beating OSU which of lately Carr is having a hard time accomplishing.

Agreed.  Don't believe that Bo's spiritual presence will carry the same level of protection as his bodily occupation of an office down the hall.

Regarding "film gate," if rumor is true, there should be a sacking before a Congressional Investigation is called for, and all of Wood's "good works" have an asterix affixed.   

[Adam Sayer]

I think that people filming other teams is something that goes on more than what you think. There are roughly 400 college football teams. To think that this is a 'rare' thing is crazy.

Now for a real question. Who will win the Notre Dame-Michigan game? Both teams looked like Duke could beat them on Saturday.

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did?

[frank uible]

Actually there are about 650-700 four year college inter-collegiate football teams.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I think that people filming other teams is something that goes on more than what you think. There are roughly 400 college football teams. To think that this is a 'rare' thing is crazy.

Now for a real question. Who will win the Notre Dame-Michigan game? Both teams looked like Duke could beat them on Saturday.

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did?

The disrespect for Appalachian State (and, by implication, all 'lower' division teams) is appalling.  While UM SHOULD have beaten them (and would, 9 out of 10), ASU would beat Duke by 40+.  The overlap of divisions is way beyond what most fans (and, alas, most sportswriters) perceives.  ASU would beat a MAJORITY of d1A teams, just as Grand Valley would beat a MAJORITY of d1AA teams and Mount Union would beat many (perhaps even a majority) of d2 teams

In each case, depth MIGHT keep them from competing well over a full season at the 'higher' level, but in a one-game showdown I'm very certain of my statement.

[JacketsFan]

Well said, Mr. Ypsi!

The late, great GSU Eagles (Division 1AA) Head Coach Erskine "Erk" Russell built a program at Georgia Southern that would've made a lot of D1 coaches blush. He complied an 83-22-1 record in his eight seasons there and won the National Championships three times, two of them being back to back, the final time being the culmination of a perfect 15-0 season. If Er were alive and in his prime today and coaching the GSU Eagles the way be did in the 80s, Michigan State and other D1 programs would have more than one D1AA coach and program to worry about.

[INQBScout]

The disrespect for Appalachian State (and, by implication, all 'lower' division teams) is appalling.  While UM SHOULD have beaten them (and would, 9 out of 10), ASU would beat Duke by 40+.  The overlap of divisions is way beyond what most fans (and, alas, most sportswriters) perceives.  ASU would beat a MAJORITY of d1A teams, just as Grand Valley would beat a MAJORITY of d1AA teams and Mount Union would beat many (perhaps even a majority) of d2 teams

In each case, depth MIGHT keep them from competing well over a full season at the 'higher' level, but in a one-game showdown I'm very certain of my statement.

Well stated...I think the important word here is depth---no question depth wins out in many of those match ups and certainly over the course of  a season...

[INQBScout]

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did? 

The numbers may paint an appropriate abnalogy...but a pose this simple question...if given a choice, who would you want to coach your team---for a game or a season? Don't think that's a tough decision...

[Adam Sayer]

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did? 

The numbers may paint an appropriate abnalogy...but a pose this simple question...if given a choice, who would you want to coach your team---for a game or a season? Don't think that's a tough decision...

That's an easy one now, but the point was at one time I heard Ty nicknamed 'Black Jesus.' That changed real quick when he started losing. Then it was Ty Davie. Regardless, and this may be a little premature, but does anyone else think Notre Dame may have jumped the gun on Weiss. I mean, he has yet to beat a team who ranked in the top 15 while at Notre Dame. His record against teams who were ranked at the time is decent (about .500) but against teams who finish as top 15/20 programs, his record is horrible.

I'm not a ND fan but I think they gave Ty Willingham a premature exit and didn't give him a fair chance. So far, both he and Weiss have started out very similar. Both had great success, and now Weiss is faced with a team who has a great chance to be bad, like Bob Davie bad or worse. I wonder if he will receive the same treatment as Ty.

Mr. Ypsi, was that a shot that I wasn't giving App State respect? If I recall, I was 1 of 2 who actually mentioned App State and winning in the same sentence against Michigan. I know how good of a program they are. The Duke reference was a shot because I hate Michigan and the Michigan/Notre Dame game is one of those where somebody's gotta win, though neither may deserve it.

[Adam Sayer]

Actually there are about 650-700 four year college inter-collegiate football teams.

Really? Well, I guess your right. DI and IAA combined have over 250 and D3 has quite a few. I just threw out a quick estimate.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Adam,

Not a shot at you personally - your's was just the last straw on all the App. State - Michigan "greatest upset of all time" BS that's been going around.  (If UM were to lose to EMU next month - THAT would be the greatest upset of all time [though we Hurons/Eagles like the guaranteed money and the 'away' game 6 miles from Rynearson Stadium]!  UM plays Duke in bball, but fball - never!)

We fans of d3 should be especially aware of the rampant condescension of 'analysts' of inter-divisional play.  ASU is probably one of the top 30-40 teams in the country (probably higher in a one-game match, though depth might do them in over a full season) - Duke (and EMU) most definitely are not.

BTW, my grad school was Michigan.  I'm well aware that hatred of the Wolverines is a geographical hazard endemic to those from the state 'down south', but I like you anyway!  (Myself, I'm not too fond of the 'hairy nuts' in Columbus!)

[cave2bens]

App. State - Michigan "greatest upset of all time" BS that's been going around.  (If UM were to lose to EMU next month - THAT would be the greatest upset of all time [though we Hurons/Eagles like the guaranteed money and the 'away' game 6 miles from Rynearson Stadium]

Well stated, and so refreshing to see the former nickname incorporated with the current.  As an "old f*rt, misplaced midwesterner stuck in Atlanta," there are certain aspects of southern football (which I'm sure JacketsFan will attest to) that folks from the north may not understand.  The Appalachian States, Georgia Southerns, and East Carolinas are not small schools - all have undergraduate populations equivalent to the MACs.  Further, competition for BCS rosters is far more keen, as the ACC and SEC cover a lot of geography/ talent pool and there is a shortage of mid-major alternatives for college play, compared to the east and midwest.  

Further, you have clubs like Wofford, Presbyterian, Davidson, W. Carolina, Elon, and Furman - which are small colleges compared to some of the MIAA and OAC playing D2, DIAA - heck the Catamounts from Culhowee got beaten by Florida in Gainesville almost as badly as the Bucks did in Phoenix.  

And yeah, I did my grad work at CMU and some post grad courses in Ann Arbor as well.  

[frank uible]

In the 60s (and perhaps before and when Duke was a national power in football)) U/M played Duke in football at least twice.

[INQBScout]

That's an easy one now, but the point was at one time I heard Ty nicknamed 'Black Jesus.' That changed real quick when he started losing. Then it was Ty Davie. Regardless, and this may be a little premature, but does anyone else think Notre Dame may have jumped the gun on Weiss. I mean, he has yet to beat a team who ranked in the top 15 while at Notre Dame. His record against teams who were ranked at the time is decent (about .500) but against teams who finish as top 15/20 programs, his record is horrible.

I'm not a ND fan but I think they gave Ty Willingham a premature exit and didn't give him a fair chance. So far, both he and Weiss have started out very similar. Both had great success, and now Weiss is faced with a team who has a great chance to be bad, like Bob Davie bad or worse. I wonder if he will receive the same treatment as Ty.

well said..and yes, i do think nd may have jumped the gun a bit with weiss...as you suggest, his record so far against the big boys is far from impressive...and i think his arrogance is already begining to wear a bit thin...we'll see. it's just amazing to me how a school like nd, with its reputation, resources and its own network for crying out loud, can drop to this level...i can see some ups and downs...but based on week one performance and who they play the rest of the year (and kudos to them for scheduling some good schools)..it could get really ugly...