FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[victorybell_57]

different? i feel i was more of an ahole than different. in any event, you can't really say i didn't have many valid points. the problem is that there is so much that spews out of my mouth that the valid points get misconstrued with the points meant to be nonsensical. often times i would post one and think to myself, "well, that is really going to piss of the hanover faithful." i never really took much of seriously, i did enjoy the competitive banter though.

i still wish those guys were around, even after i went after them hard. they knew football and often times had many good points. in my case though, i needed to take that approach since the grizzlies were still building and the panthers were still rubbing it in. i layed off severely after the first victorybell win. let's just hope it stays a mainstay as some colorful furniture in leonard's office. after going a few years over a decade to earn it back, i'm sure it would be missed severely if we ever took them lightly.

speaking of lightly, i'm sure the grizzlies aren't taking the playoff opponent lightly. i even heard they are bringing in the chanting hawiian that june jones uses to get the crowd fired up pre-game.

[cave2bens]

speaking of lightly, i'm sure the grizzlies aren't taking the playoff opponent lightly. i even heard they are bringing in the chanting hawiian that june jones uses to get the crowd fired up pre-game.

The Kaamate Haka would be a great touch, given the heights that Griz football as ascended recently.  Hope the announcer can translate from the Maori...

[SaintsFAN]

Sayer, that "stuff" (i.e. Robitussin) tastes nasty, even with the attempt to put some cherry, grape or orange flavor in it.   As such, I usually try some other brand, although thankfully, have rarely had to use any of such "stuff" for quite some time!  Hope you feel better, and also good decision you are making regarding that "other stuff" .

Old Grandad Whiskey works for me.   

[Adam Sayer]

Don't want to think about it. That may be the worst stuff around. I actually feel a lot better today and didn't take anything last night. Just relaxed after wrestling and got a good night's sleep. I think the combo of a workout, then rest helped.

I guess the only way you can convince men to go to an All Guys college is to have one heck of a game day atmosphere. Other than when Rick Wiehe's aunt won split the spot and when Leanne Parks was in the crowd, I never thought about a chick while playing. Coincidently, Tepee was the bearer of good news both times. I bet the porn sales in C'ville are through the roof.

Signed,
Adam Sayer (not to be confused with a soothsayer)

[cave2bens]

I guess the only way you can convince men to go to an All Guys college is to have one heck of a game day atmosphere. Other than when Rick Wiehe's aunt won split the spot and when Leanne Parks was in the crowd, I never thought about a chick while playing. Coincidently, Tepee was the bearer of good news both times. I bet the porn sales in C'ville are through the roof.

Signed,
Adam Sayer (not to be confused with a soothsayer)

Academics through the work week,
Blow-out weekends for sure;
If 'tang is one's main course,
Some cavemen opt transfer.  

Burma Shave.  

Or as eloquently professed on a Monon shirt last weekend -

"DePauw Chicks and Football - It's What Wabash Does."

[SaintsFAN]

hey you guys should check out the OAC board. 

There's people saying MUC wouldn't be MUC if they had to play their games against (insert conference name here) competition year in and year out.  I guess they are saying it would wear MUC down.


They got something coming to them this year....I'm GLAD MUC is out of the Region...its gives us HCAC teams and NCAC rep Wabash a great shot to win the regional championship.

[victorybell_57]

question for anybody who has seen mount union play:

how far above are they in terms of talent from the rest of DIII? do they just run a more sound program? do they they just have better schemes? or can they compete against the nationally rated DII teams? or is it a case of a philosophy that works and everybody buys in?

i am not going to question kehres, for sure he has earned the right to go the hall of fame when he retires. i just wanted an opinion from some people. i know BW, John Carroll, and other OAC schools have played them very tough in the past. I also know until the 90's the other OAC schools did very very well. have they just kept the foot on the gas with recruiting and never let up?

[SaintsFAN]

victory,

I can't speak to having played against them but I can tell you that I've seen them on film.  They don't make mistakes...none.  They do all the little things.  They have alot of players to choose from (190 on the roster) and GREAT players have bought in enough to wait their turn to play as seniors, in some cases.  LK demands perfection....

Keep in mind, OAC schools can NOT leave campus to recruit.  Amazing. 

[Most Known, Unknown.]

Victory Bell. I recently spoke with David Pool, who is down here in cali working on his NFL retirement plan, and I asked him about Mount U, since his prep team plays them every year, and he stated" that Mount U, should be a D-1 team, they are that good" from the talent level, to the coaching. He even stated that their freshman team is good as well. As far, as talent they are hands down better then any other d-3 team and they will win the NATIONAL Championship. They are a powerhouse, they so much remind me of a team down here College Of San Fran, who like the Mount, has been destroying teams for years, and should not be even in Juco football, because their team is a make up of d-1 players, who beats everyone~~Most Jr. College teams, has a lot of d-1 bounce backs, but San Fran whole team, is d-1 bounce backs, from some of the top programs in the nation there, you look at a lot of the top programs, and see a larger percentage of College Of San Fran players playing for them!!! Getting the right players, at the right time. Hence, the Jr. College where I am, we had Brent Schaffer, and he was the top rated QB in the nation, bounce back from The University Of Tenn., but he is not even starting for Miss this year, because he came in this year out of shape, and not a leader, all that talent but he does not know how to use it correctly, or do the right thing!!!

[Most Known, Unknown.]

I also wanted to give a shout out to Daniel Dufrene rb from Illinois, who had that big run against Ohio State, played down here at the college as, well as Woodney Turrene, starting over at L-Ville cb! Big Andy Maples, and Jason Townsend University Missouri, keep working hard, oh yeah Darius Passmore at the University Of Marshall, wearing Randy Moss Number; they took it out of retirement, because they think so highly of this guy!! As a coach it is so good to see players, that you have work with, living out their dreams, and getting a good education!!!

[SaintsFAN]

I don't think those guys check this messageboard, most unknown   


I will also say that MUC does NOT get Division 1 players....maybe a player or two.  Most D1 guys will take the scholarship at division 1 and go there. 

They get Division 3 guys for the most part who are above average on the field and willing to pay attention to the detailed coaching they receive from their coaches. 

[tepee]

Big E is that you?  How are you?


Sayer,  Whatever happened to Leanne?

[StillMSJ]

From my experience about MUC, and only judging from my experience (the game tape studying, and the playoff game against MUC national champ team) I could come up with a few things.  First of all, they don't have D1 talent, with few acceptions.  Pierre Garcon is an extraordinary reciever, his speed is unrivaled in D3.  Other than him, the rest are just really solid players.  Could most or all of them play on a higher level?  Sure, but the same can be said for most of the best players of each team across all of D3.
I wouldn't say MUC's success is a direct result of the level of talent, but due more to the absolute philosophy of the program.  From the dedication and skill of the coaches, down to the dedication and skill of the players.  On film they were obviously talented, but their schemes were not too amazing and their plays not unbelievable.  Honestly, on film, MUC looked like a beatable team.
It was mentioned earlier that they make no mistakes, and I will attest to that.  They are extremely disciplined, and when mixed with the coaches and players' talents, obviously makes a winning program.  They simply seem to have the whole package, and that's why they win.  Having rediculous amounts of walk-on players helps raise the talent pool as well as increase the amount of dedication that players who start will need to maintain their position.  Player accountability is a must.  It's a program that works.
All of this comes down to the final point, that makes any football team better, is the degree of high expectations.  Players at MUC know what is expected of them, and so do coaches of themselves as well.  This takes the atmosphere of a program from "You should win," up to "You must win," and finally reaching the point of "You will win."  They don't need to leave campus to recruit in a program like that.  Winners gravitate there, and the program reciprocates itself.

Ok, so it sounds like I'm glorifying MUC, but the truth is they've won how many national titles in the past decade and a half?  My point exactly.  They've obviously done something right to get where they are and if I were a head coach in D3 I would look back to where it all started and try to model my program after that.

In the end, understand that MUC is still a beatable team.  You just have to have a respective degree of talent and determination, but most of all poise.  Hey, even Ohio State can lose to Illinois.......

[Most Known, Unknown.]

What's up Tepee, how are you doing man?? and Saints Fan, those guys do read these conversation, because they have a few friends playing at the d-3 level!! and alot of d-1 guys fall through the cracks, because of issues, and I was one, who was going to sign out of JR. College with a d-1 down here in cali, but stuff happens. I was glad that I got a second second to play and graduate from a good college. It all depends on your circumstances and what school will take a chance on you, and i'm bless that Coach Hillvert took that chance, he sold the program there at the Mount, and it gave me a chance to get my life back inorder. I hold no regrets. The only thing that I regret was getting the advice of the great traning staff there at the college, and playing my last two years on a fracture ankle, which I recently had surgey on. Thanks trainers!!!

[Most Known, Unknown.]

I agree with you stillmsj, it does goes back down to the players and coaches committing themselves to excellence, and transforming that attitude on the field, but when a Head Coach at a great Prep School tells me that the program over Mount U, can be competing at the d-1 level, then I will tend to listen, this man played for the Buffalo Bills in their glory days, of going to the Super Bowl four straight years, and he knows talent. Hence, you made a lot of great points, and any given team can be beat on any given Sat, but to beat a team like that, you will have to minus your mistakes, out score them, and play flawless football, mistake free for four quarters, and a lot of teams, have not done that. Mount U, plays in what is arguably the best conf in the country, and the competitors that they face within their conf is great competition, but they continue to blow these teams out; so that tells me one thing; either the Mount is that damn good, or the competition is average. Please help me understand that? I have seen some great teams, some great individual players, and they seem to have both. Maybe the players at  msj who played against them can chime in on this? I'm not riding their band wagon, just going off facts, and the fact is they are better then every other team in the nation, and until someone beats them, then that debate will continue!