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[victorybell_57]

i think the key to the msj / wabash game will be msj's defense. they are always tough and if they can keep that O in check, i can see them getting the W.

did you read the bracketology? every team has a stop in alliance with mount union winning it all. that didn't take long to write. way to spice it up.

[Adam Sayer]

I am officially out for this weekend. The head coach has a son who plays soccer and they are playing in the State Championships (the kid is 9!!!!!) What 9 year olds play state championship games??? Regardless, I have to be with the team this Saturday for the scrimmage. By the time I'd be able to leave, it would be 11:30/12:00, Cincinnati time.

Other important things:

Screw Blue
Go Blow
and Ann Arbor is a Whore

WHY??? Cause I'm from O-HI-O.

[billrt66]

Wally:  As a self proclaimed long time Grizzly fan I can tell you that MSJ has a great personnel,  are well coached and they play really excellent defense. My impression from watching them over the past several years when the played Franklin is that their defense is consistently ahead of their offense....lots of D line size and linebacker speed. They like to control the ball and are not very likely to go for the home run, rather consume clock with an offense that is happy to play in front of your defense....they don't really stretch the field. Having said all of this I think Wabash is more balanced on both sides of the ball.....they remind me more of Franklin in that they can score in a number of different ways and can score in bunches.  Wabash's D is as good if not a little better and I give the nod to Wabash as a more balanced attack.  I said it earlier in the year, but I really think the Franklin Wabash game has the excitement to become a real anticipated "war" each year.....I for one hope it continues.  I can't wait until Saturday.....its going to be "nuts" at Faught Stadium in Franklin!!!!   GO GRIZ !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam Sayer]

Anyone else see/hear about this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=bigtenmayhavemadeaveryco&prov=tsn&type=lgns

I have no idea what mistake the crew made. If they did make a huge blunder and were being investigated, why on Earth would you let them do another game?

Lloyd Carr is contemplating retirement. I've enjoyed Jimmy T kicking his a$$ through these years.

[billrt66]

Most Known, Unkown:  Don't forget about Robbie McAtee who played two years for Franklin as a backup wideout (playing behind Danny Sears)....he transferred to UK and walked on and is now playing defensive CB in the best D1 conference in the country......the SEC!!!   Another example of the "hidden talent" in Div. III !
Go Griz!!!

[victorybell_57]

i agree with billiam on the eventually war each year with wabash. i look forward to it. two great teams killing each other. then franklin and msj kill each other. then it will be a love triangle in the playoffs as msj and wabash kill each other. there is something to be said for good old fashioned hitting.

[cave2bens]

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i agree with billiam on the eventually war each year with wabash. 

Sorry, V-Bell.  Unfortunately, it's not going to happen - at least in foreseeable future due to a longterm agreement between the UAA and NCAC.  My understanding is that Wabash plays UChicago and WashStL in addition to DePauw and the regular NCAC schedule next year.  Gremlins from Greendingle aside, the other rivalry that's most heated for Wabash is Wittenberg, though Wooster is a fun, hard-fought outing as well (so I like bagpipers...).

Historically, 'Bash played against both Hanover and Franklin in 1886 before starting their series with DeBauch (1890).  According to records, Franklin (34-9-3) has been the fifth most scheduled opponent behind the Dannies (53-52-9), Butler (19-39-9), Rose (36-9-3), and Hanover (34-12-1).  After the aforementioned, Earlham (32-5-1), WashStL (23-15-2), Purdue (8-19-2), Albion (18-17-1), and Ohio Wesleyan (18-13-2) are on the charts as opponents met in excess of twenty-five times.

Sorry you aren't going to make it to C'Ville, Adam - guarantee it would beat watching a bunch of pee-wees in cute, little silk pantaloons, and much better scenery.    BTW, it was darned fun seeing Cooper go 1-5 against Carr a$$ well.

[SaintsFAN]

Adam,

Seriously, if your coach allows his kids to play soccer, you need to get away from him.   Soccer is a girls sport. 

[M and L]

Adam,

   Soccer is a girls sport. 

Amen,

I think that the MSJ Wabash game is going to similar to that of the Franklin game, but MSJ coming out on top by 3pts with Kevin Koch field goal

[M and L]

Sayer, and time 

[victorybell_57]

It's great playing a tough schedule, I bet Wabash wants a break in their non-conference once in awhile. I would be willing to bet that when they made the series a few years ago, that's what they were thinking. Good ol' leonard really F'd that up for them.

Wash U is a shell of the program they used to be, and Chicago always has potential. But when your players need a 1270 sat to get in, well....

[cave2bens]

Posted by: victorybell_57  Posted on: Today at 09:24:41 am   
It's great playing a tough schedule, I bet Wabash wants a break in their non-conference once in awhile. I would be willing to bet that when they made the series a few years ago, that's what they were thinking. Good ol' leonard really F'd that up for them. 

If were to hazard a guess (and that's all I can do), it probably wasn't a decision made in Crawfordsville, but by the NCAC as a whole.  Oberlin, Kenyon, Denison, 'Gheny, Wooster, and Hiram all play either Case and/or CMU on an annual basis, and there may have been pressure exerted since only four UAA schools offer gridiron as an elective. 

It's rumored league schedulers even removed OWU from 'Bash 2008 docket in exchange for either the (futile) Lords or the Puppies.     Ugh - canapes, mint tea, and poetry recitations at halftime, anyone? 

[wally_wabash]

It's rumored league schedulers even removed OWU from 'Bash 2008 docket in exchange for either the (futile) Lords or the Puppies.    

This, I believe, has to do with the league's enigmatic "power ranking" system which they use to determine who plays who (or probably more appropriately who doesn't play who).  When the league made the schedule agreement with the UAA, it was summer 2005 which leads me to believe that the NCAC was using results from the '03/'04 seasons.  Those were two "down" years for Wabash and probably had the LGs "power rated" somewhere around 3rd or 4th in the conference and OWU probably somewhere around 5th or 6th and for whatever reason (I actually spent some time working out how they did this for the '07 schedule where the power rankings are listed) and it works out that those teams ranked 3/4 and 5/6 tend to miss each other.  It really makes little sense and the lack of transparency on the whole power rating thing makes it seem like smoke and mirrors.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, how many schools play d3 football?

238.

[Adam Sayer]

Word around is Brian Kelly (UC's coach and former coach at GVSU) is the primary candidate along with Cam Cameron for Lloyd's job. Seeing as Lloyd is a stubborn old man, he may stick around. But his workhorses the last 4 years, the guys who were to be the Saviors of Michigan football, haven't lived up to their billing...hurt or not. I do believe Michigan has the best OT in Jake Long. We're talking about a guy who can probably start next year at LT as a rookie protecting someone important's backside.

Fight the team across the field
Show them O-Hi-O's here.
Set the Earth Reberverating
With a Mighty Cheer...Ra, Ra, Ra.
Hit them hard and see how they fall.
Never let that team get the ball.
Hail, Hail, the gang's all here,
So lets win that Old Conference now!