FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Adam Sayer]

My prediction for the game is sealed...close to the vest. Don't want to upset no one and give anyone "Bulletin Board" material. 

[BashBacker#16]

VicBell or Grizz, etc. -

Just a question (no "tude" nor sarcasm here) - any concerns about Coach Leonard heading south to take over at Hanover???  I have heard that on several fronts for a few months now.  Interesting that there has not been any discussion...

I don't know, just curious.  I would think that would be a tough call for him professionally.

[KYGrizzly]

VicBell or Grizz, etc. -

Just a question (no "tude" nor sarcasm here) - any concerns about Coach Leonard heading south to take over at Hanover???  I have heard that on several fronts for a few months now.  Interesting that there has not been any discussion...

I don't know, just curious.  I would think that would be a tough call for him professionally.

I'll just copy and paste my response from an earlier post on the same question below:

At this time I don't see Coach Leonard going back to Hanover. As he said last week after the win he was going to enjoy the ride while it lasts. I would think that if given the chance he would like to try DI as an OC before he would return to Hanover.

[Most Known, Unknown.]

They like to control the ball and are not very likely to go for the home run, rather consume clock with an offense that is happy to play in front of your defense....they don't really stretch the field. Having said all of this I think Wabash is more balanced on both sides of the ball.....they remind me more of Franklin in that they can score in a number of different ways and can score in bunches.  Wabash's D is as good if not a little better and I give the nod to Wabash as a more balanced attack. 

That's funny, that you said Wabash D is better then MSJ, Wabash is giving up more first downs then they get; they have the tendency of giving up the big play's to the running game, and a solid passing game can hurt them. I would not go out on the limb and say that their D is better then MSJ! MSJ has three shut-outs this year, and the defense is playing better since the FC game!!! Also if your defense is going to give up a lot of points, then you better have an offense that can score a lot of points, and that will not be the case. The most points that MSJ defense has given up is 28 points to FC, Wabash and FC are two different teams!! I don't see MSJ giving up 28 points in this game; , and I don't see Wabash given up 28 points, both teams enter the game on average only allowing 14.something points per game, so I will stick with my guns and predict MSJ 17-Wabash 14.

[Most Known, Unknown.]

Lol, I made it. I finally made second string, what an honor, a few hundred more post and I can become a starter!

[tepee]

Pat,  Thanks

[SaintsFAN]

They like to control the ball and are not very likely to go for the home run, rather consume clock with an offense that is happy to play in front of your defense....they don't really stretch the field. Having said all of this I think Wabash is more balanced on both sides of the ball.....they remind me more of Franklin in that they can score in a number of different ways and can score in bunches.  Wabash's D is as good if not a little better and I give the nod to Wabash as a more balanced attack. 

That's funny, that you said Wabash D is better then MSJ, Wabash is giving up more first downs then they get; they have the tendency of giving up the big play's to the running game, and a solid passing game can hurt them. I would not go out on the limb and say that their D is better then MSJ! MSJ has three shut-outs this year, and the defense is playing better since the FC game!!! Also if your defense is going to give up a lot of points, then you better have an offense that can score a lot of points, and that will not be the case. The most points that MSJ defense has given up is 28 points to FC, Wabash and FC are two different teams!! I don't see MSJ giving up 28 points in this game; , and I don't see Wabash given up 28 points, both teams enter the game on average only allowing 14.something points per game, so I will stick with my guns and predict MSJ 17-Wabash 14.

Don't read into this, Most Unknown.....this observer who is saying that Wabash's defense is better than MSJ's wasn't even at the Franklin/MSJ game.  Its just banter.   That game was played the same day as UK/LSU. 

[SaintsFAN]

My prediction is based upon Lovell playing...or not

I saw him play against Defiance and he was the player responsible for the seismatic shift in momentum that resulted in MSJ kicking a FG to take the lead.


I just washed and iron my Lovell jersey for Saturday.

[SaintsFAN]

re:  Leonard.


You know what they say, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. 

I think we'll find out shortly after the season if FC will keep their beloved coach OR if he is going to turn over the reigns to an assistant.  Either way, you'd have to think they'd be able to sustain what Leonard has done. 

FYI, "enjoy the ride while it lasts".....could be interpreted a number of different ways.  Didn't he graduate from Hanover?  Its not like HC is just standing pat with the academic standards they put in place....they've brought them back to where they were before (if you can read at a 3rd grade level, you're in).  They also have Wayne Perry staying on to "fundraise"....sounds like a sleeping giant may be awakening again soon.

[KYGrizzly]

SaintsFan,

If he decided to go back to Hanover I don't think that any of the Grizzly backers could hold it against him. I consider a head coaching job like a marriage, why end it while every thing is going good. On the other hand there have been some that have left for another thinking it would be a better fit.

Also read this in our local paper about your alma mater.

Thomas More senior offensive lineman Brandon Lee, a New Albany native, will play for the American Football Coaches Association's Division III all-star team.
The team will represent the United States against the Mexican National Team in the Aztec Bowl on Dec. 8 in Chihuahua.

Congrats to Thomas More and to Brandon.

[BashBacker#16]

MostKnownUnknown,

I didn't read that post the same way.  I think he was stating that the Wabash D is slightly better then the Franklin D (not MSJ).  I would agree with that for what its worth.

Pynenberg (Wabash) in the middle (ILB) is about as good as it gets on the D3 level...all year long opponents have felt the same.  He is legit and he makes the entire D that much better.  That said, Bash will have to play much better then they did at DPU.

Yes, Leonard is a Hanover alum who coached under Perry for a long time with a lot of success.

[Adam Sayer]

You always have respect for where you came from...or at least you should. Not only did Leonard play there, he coached there under a great coach. He's a part of the Hanover family and when your family is in trouble, you fix it. As SaintsFan stated, Hanover has reconfigured their standards and a "sleeping giant" may be awakening. There is no better time than to fix a situation than when your old boss is in charge of funding, your academic persons are on board, and you have a great tradition of winning.

[SaintsFAN]

You always have respect for where you came from...or at least you should. Not only did Leonard play there, he coached there under a great coach. He's a part of the Hanover family and when your family is in trouble, you fix it. As SaintsFan stated, Hanover has reconfigured their standards and a "sleeping giant" may be awakening. There is no better time than to fix a situation than when your old boss is in charge of funding, your academic persons are on board, and you have a great tradition of winning.

Exactly.....nice view with a neutral person with no dog in the fight.

+K mofo

Its the same thing that Chuck "The Giant Blueberry" Weis did at Notre Dame....before the cake blew up on his face. 

[Wags]

CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 

[ncc58]

Wags, here's one to watch. The field at Franklin is grass. The last time North Central played on a grass field was week 1 against CUW!

CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)?