FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[victorybell_57]

LT and Dick Butkus are the best every to play the game at LB. Not far off are guys like the obvious choices, but what about:

Greg Lloyd
Zach Thomas
Pepper Johnson
Hollywood Henderson
Romo

My all LB team would be LT, Dick Butkus, Singletary, Romo. Yes, I'd run a 3-4.

[Knightstalker]

LT and Dick Butkus are the best every to play the game at LB. Not far off are guys like the obvious choices, but what about:

Greg Lloyd
Zach Thomas
Pepper Johnson
Hollywood Henderson
Romo

My all LB team would be LT, Dick Butkus, Singletary, Romo. Yes, I'd run a 3-4.

I would put Harry Carson, Brad Van Pelt, Bill Bergey, Nick Bouniconti, Mike Curtis ahead of Lloyd, Thomas, Johnson, Hollywood and Romo.

[frank uible]

August "Iron Mike" Michalske. Look it up.

[Adam Sayer]

I'm glad to hear someone else describe the play and formation selection by Jim Tressel as brutal (not in exact words but in meaning). It was evident to me that the OL of OSU matched up well with the D front of LSU as long as they were not in 3rd and longs. However, due to the failed commitment to the run game, OSU's offense, if it didn't get the first down on 1st or 2nd, was faced with 3rd and long. They had very few 3rd and shorts. I believe Beanie Wells did not run the ball 2 consecutive times until middle of the 4th quarter. If he did, it was only once early in the game.

For the most part, Boeckmann had time to throw the ball on 1st and 2nd down (time meaning more than 3 seconds). He wasn't able to throw because OSU's skill players couldn't separate consistently. It sucks for him, but I think he'll be the back up again next year. Antonio Henton, a 6-2, 232 pound freshman QB from Georgia is supposed to be the real deal and surpass Boeckmann and Schoenhoff.

All in all, I still think OSU held their own despite the "experts" words of crushed, humiliated, beat down, etc. I disagree with Tony Kornheiser who said the turning point was the roughing the kicker penalty. The turning point was the dropped TD pass in the 2nd quarter...resulting in a blocked FG. OSU was never able to get momentum back. They had an opportunity in the 2nd half, but gave it back to LSU after the roughing call. The roughing penalty was a huge play later in the game when OSU scored to make it 31-17 because they were down 14 not 7, but it wasn't the turning point.

[Superfoot Wallace]

The earlier analysis sounds like I'm bashing the formations, not my intent.  More in line with Sayer that it was the play calling.

Am a big fan of single wing and short punt type play calling from the shotgun.  Wildcat or something per McFadden Arkansas as opposed to the veering schemes of the doublewing Wildcat.  Seems shotgun was a trapping and T run game under the old Elway nomenclature.

One thing the Spread, particularly Meyer-Tebow spread option, does right in my opinion is run downhill between the tackles with the quarterback, that is the throwing fullback per CMU 80 series.  Don't know OSU had the wheels or girth to handle this plan of attack but the incoming freshman Sayer touts sounds to fit the bill.

Running downhill powerfully with the quarterback sets up those stretched out sweep as opposed to stretch tailback runs and waggles.  Waggle is still the best play in football even if the game turning fumble for OSU was most likely a called Waggle.  OSU just didnt have the appropriate setups to Waggle.  Downhillas I as opposed to single wing works better with check with me double GUT's as a playaction than Waggle here.

Always liked Holecek (Illinois ?) to play that interior spot am assuming Victory is assigning to Butkus.  Might even take Bennet and Talley over a Romo-LT combination as well, but for LT's ability to play walked up on the line.  Also, would rather see Wilbur Marshall there as opposed to Singletary, just think Singletary was good at picking locks in the 46 and Marshall's speed and athleticism would be more valuable with fewer DL to gobble up blockers.

signed,
Flex Defense

[frank uible]

The single/double wing with its short, intermediate and long snaps, spinner and buck lateral has the capacity for dive, iso, trap, power, sweep, option, counter, boot and waggle with or without deception/misdirection, with a varied number of potential receivers and with zone or conventional point-of-attack blocking, and much of all those we are getting from what euphemistically is being called the spread among other designations. One needs to find that special and uncommon single wing TB (QB) in order to take maximum advantage - if you don't have him or if worse yet he is lost during the season, then that offense becomes limited.

[DBQ1965]

Over in another room there was mention of single-wing football and that got me wondering ... anyone here ever play with or against single-wing?  I did back in the late 50's ... which makes me really old, I know.  Any stories?

[frank uible]

By the end of the 50s the single wing had effectively disappeared although to this day there is a small number of high school and pee-wee teams which practice it and call it the single wing. But in my view the modern "spread" as practiced by some is a version of the single wing. There exists a "single wing association" which swaps information and which, I believe, meets periodically. Try googling.

[SaintsFAN]

OK, quick recruiting update.  Word is that Mount St. Joe has produced a quick little rap video to show prospective recruits JUST what the Westside is all about...

Do you guys thinks this will work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKvKHaJ3Li8

[70_dc_alum]

that is some funny stuff

[Superfoot Wallace]

The kid with the high pitched falsetto, is that Sayer?

Over in another room there was mention of single-wing football and that got me wondering ... anyone here ever play with or against single-wing?  I did back in the late 50's ... which makes me really old, I know.  Any stories?

When Denison dedicated Piper Field in 1997, they ran a few series of single wing to honor the Piper Wing.

Have been paired with an offensive coordinator and moreover an offensive playbook lately that is fundamentally Fly.  Think pre snap shallow motion in front of a pistol or shotgun quarterback or additionally even post snap in front of a three and even more likely two step drop.

The Wham play, trapping interior down linemen with an overgrown fullback, and weak belly counter underneath an aggressive upfield pass rush are the two mind sets.

Motion can happen pre or post snap for different classes of men.  Think of the single wing as post snap motion by the strong side guard, designated as such by his direction of motion not formation.

Unlike a trap, single wing guard motion is more akin to the G block.  The staple is the offtackle plunge, and the pull will be across several men requiring a guard with enough physical as well as mental accumen to know when to log/hook, kickout or lead through.  The premium is on height or range and athleticism.

Have seen single wing principles matched well with the Fly.  Two step drop, mismatched or incongruent pre and post snap motions, staple upback rushes and the ability to double screen place a premium on an aware and quickfooted as opposed to bruising tailback. Tailback shortness of stature can be a benefit as well, with the ability to break the linebackers line of sight.

Think the ability to both DIG and wheel is what separates this mindset from being either T or run and shoot. 

signed,
OG Henny Lo

[dc_has_been]

Wow!!! That video was brutal.

[formerd3db]

Wow!!! That video was brutal.

Quite strange, actually!

[Adam Sayer]

Sayer doesn't sing...the Ol Lady sings...quite well too, but not Sayer.

I believe the words to the Phil Collins song are "I can't dance, I can't talk...the only thing about me is the way I walk." In my case, replace talk with sing.

I'm at school and don't have the availability to see the youtube video but I guarentee it's better than the 2004 Highlight tape...the talent show part. I almost feel bad for Tom Hornsby after that. He never seemed to be the same person.

[SaintsFAN]

Sayer,

I thought that I saw you on it...