FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

[M and L]

Are the Bengals going to land any free agents?

The Browns are getting some nice improvements why can't we?  Our conference just keeps getting beter and better.

[dc_has_been]

Well Moss signed a 3yr contract w/ New England, so Tommy will still have some weapons to throw to.  Anyways, he is still a great QB, arrogant or not.  Two time MVP of the Super Bowl, w/ three Super Bowl rings to go w/ it.

[SaintsFAN]

Yep...no doubt he's a great QB.  But not as great as he thinks he is.  I simply don't like the blaming others when the chips are against you and you aren't playing well. 

that would be like me blaming all of the INT's that I threw on the my center for not calling out the right defense when we got to the line. 

[dc_has_been]

What if the receiver ran the incorrect route?

[SaintsFAN]

the one incident I saw first hand, is where Brady put the ball 10 feet over Welker's head on an "out" route.  He then went ape-**** on Welker.  I was hoping Welker would punch him in the face.

[LionsDen]

MSJ HCAC CHAMPS!!!! Guaranteed

[Adam Sayer]

Based on what? Did we land a couple good recruits that you specifically know of? Fill us in...or are you trying to stirr the HCAC pot a little bit to get some conversation started?

Brett Favre is retiring. The way things were going, I didn't think I'd ever see this in my lifetime. Word on ESPN is he retired because Green Bay refused to pursue Randy Moss and was willing to commit to multiple years had they gotten him. I honestly believe had Green Bay let Farve have a decent say in what they did in terms of personell, he would play until he was 50. As much as he loves the game of football, I can picture Brett laying in his Hammock in Hatisburg, Mississippi with an ice cold beer in the middle of October thinking: "Damn....this is nice."

[SaintsFAN]

I think he's trying to stir the pot, a bit and get us talking HCAC Football (Whats that?)


Anyways...I'll bite... it won't be possible for MSJ to win the HCAC.  They aren't even going to win Cincy during the recruiting war.  You can take that transfer WR and shove it.  Your system is not about chucking the ball.  Besides, we've already played against the best, Andy Wellendorf...do you think this guy is as good as him?  No way.  AW was a great fit for your offense...get into 3rd and long or want to take a chance on 1st and 10?  Chuck it up to AW.  I seriously doubt this new guy is capable of being THAT kind of player. 

Its up to the guys there now to forge their own identity....Sayers class went from 0-10 to 10-0.  MSJ has not been the same, IMO, since that class has graduated and left campus.  He and I talked about it with DC70 at the MSJ/Defiance tilt in 2007....things dont' seem the same.

I think 2nd or 3rd in HCAC is a good season for the Lions in 2008.

[SaintsFAN]

Adam,

The news kind of hit me pretty hard.  Favre was my favorite player growing up...we even did "Favre Fakes" at Thomas More under QB's Coach Steve Sigler....that is to fake a throw after a handoff. 

My all-time favorite Brett Favre moment was in Dec 2003, against the Raiders.  To do what he did that night, which was only one night after his dad died. 

I remember watching that game with my (then) wife....she was a huge fan of him too (and probably that was the only reason we got married) and we were so fired up for him.  He came out on fire.  It was a Monday night...and we had to call in sick the next day because we were so drunk watching the game. 

I'm not sure what I'm going to do when the Packers are on TV this year...probably still watch...but Aaron Rodgers is going to suck like every other Jeff Tedford QB has in the NFL. 

A friend of mine's boyfriend got to hang out with Brett Favre three weeks ago.  He was in town (Louisville) because one of his lineman went to U of L.  And it had snowed ALOT in GB that week (imagine that), but he wanted to see what Louisville was all about.  The guy said he was the most down to earth person he'd met.  Football didn't come up...he also said he was a bit of a redneck.  I think its amazing for Brett Favre to do something like this...says what kind of person he really is..

[Adam Sayer]

I feel the same way...and it took a while for the news to actually hit me. He played football like every person should and his record for most consecutive games played, next to Cy Young's all-time win total for a pitcher, may be the most impossible record to match.

I still remember watching his first game, against the Bengals, when he came in for the Majik Man. I was in 4th or 5th grade and while watching the game, thought to myself, now the Bengals have a chance to win because the starting QB was hurt. Favre came in, and on one of the last plays, tosses a long TD pass and the Packers won...who would have known. Instead of taking a Wally Pipp, you can take a Don Majkowski.

[Adam Sayer]

I think MSj will be alright. They played with a lot of youth this year on offense due to the injuries of Mike Jones and Lovell being banged up. They will have ample playing experience on the offensive side of the ball which will help and the offense will probably be the strength o this team...which hasn't been the case at MSJ. 2004 we were pretty balanced, but the defense and Wellendorf bailed us out a couple times.

I do agree that Andy Wellendorf is the best WR ever at MSJ and arguably the best player...Three RB's by the names of Wetterich, Anderson, and Lovell were all pretty damn good but Dorf was a freak. He may even be the best WR the HCAC has ever seen.

On Defense, I don't know what MSJ has comming back, but even with Hilvert gone, the defense was pretty tough last year. I know they do return some very good young talent, but I don't know how much.

In recruiting, Rod Huber can sell a Speedo to an Eskimo in December. He'll continue to get the players...or the Jimmys and the Joes.

As the case with MSJ last year, we were the Champs until FC beat us. I think that's the same scenario this year. Franklin should be the favorite until someone knocks them off.

[LionsDen]

I totally agree with you AW was one hell of a player. I have personally seen the highlight films of the recruiting class this season and all i can say is WOW. will they come in a be players right away? i dont know that. As for the transfer WR, i have seen his highlight tape as well and i dont think he is as fast as AW, probably a 4.6 guy but he has hands that are unbelievable. MSJ will be solid upfront this season on both sides of the ball. The DBs will probably be the weakest link. Id like to see how the other schools in the HCAC matched up recruiting wise. I stand behind my Guarantee. Just watch out. the Lions are going to take the NCAA D3 by storm.

[SaintsFAN]

I stand behind my Guarantee. Just watch out. the Lions are going to take the NCAA D3 by storm.

Saved for posterity. 

[SaintsFAN]

Look I'm as big a fan of MSJ as others here...though I didn't play there.  I just have a feeling they may be in for a 7-3 season. 

The offense leading the way, Adam, well thats never happened at MSJ before.  Huber's identity for the team and what the WHOLE PROGRAM has bought into to get this far is to win with defense and running the ball to minimize offensive mistakes.  We'll see what happens, but if they are getting away from that...


Lionsden,

Every college-bound athlete has a good highlight reel...every single one of them.   If they had crappy highlight tapes, do you think they'd be recruited anywhere except Big Boy Fry Cook at Frisch's??

Come on man, I don't know how old you are...or if you played or whatever.  You definitely can't judge an incoming class until they make plays on the field.  You should know that. 

[LionsDen]

I do know that, thats why i said "can they come in and be players right away, i dont know that" Yes i do know every kid has a highlight tape but the plays i have seen a lot of them make in their highlight tapes are great! With that said, i don't think they are perfect. I know they are HIGHLIGHT tapes for a reason but you still have to make plays am i wrong?


As for MSJ going 7-3, we'll see. I don't think that will happen this year thats for sure. With a strong Offense that puts up points but also controls the game has the best chance to win, and i think MSJ has those traits. Their guarterback Vince Palmer, although undersized is a very productive QB. The running backs are solid and are young. The WR core lost Jones and Burrell but replaced one with the transfer Mooshegian kid. The Oline was solid last season and have beefed up even more this year along with new incoming players will be a strong point on this team.

I think the Defense is fine as MSJ, not the Baltimore Ravens of 2000 but more like the Bengals of 2001. Solid tacklers, big DLine, Solid and good sized linebackers that can move. Like i said DBs will be the weakest link but you never know, if any of the recruits come in and play well it could be one of their strongest positions with the most depth.

With that said, i am very close to the program, i have watched MSJ compete in all sports for years! The football team i play close attention too and with what i have seen they will be a serious D3 contender!!! They have had over 70 guys in there weight room lifting and running for over a month and a half now. These guys are dedicated and ready to get over the hump in the playoffs.