FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

dc_has_been · November 10, 2008, 12:34:18 AM

Well I'm glad to see that DC is playing better each week & I'm hoping it continues into next week. 4-6 or 3-7 would be a lot better than what I thought they were going to end up.

Adam Sayer · November 10, 2008, 06:53:59 AM

It can't finish in a 3-way tie, Michigan State plays Penn State this year. Now, had Penn State not lossed and Michigan State beat them, then it would have been a 3-way tie and Michigan State, as a result of being the only team to not play a 1AA school, would be the Big Ten's rep in the Rose Bowl. Now that can't happen.

I know MSJ lossed a lot from last year's team, but I don't know how you go from being a very good football team (overall, we were 10-0, but that was probably the best team they had...due to who they beat and how they competed in the playoffs) to being a mediocre team.

Gentlemen...Sayer is officially off the market. I signed my life away last night when we got home from Dinner

70_dc_alum · November 10, 2008, 08:13:05 AM

MSU only shot at roses is to beat Penn state and the root for Michigan to beat tOSU in the last week. With a win over Penn state they do get a co champ and a nice new year day bowl

dc_has_been · November 10, 2008, 08:55:27 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

DBQ1965 · November 10, 2008, 09:20:44 AM

Quote from: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

Correct!

purplebuckeye · November 10, 2008, 09:49:56 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

From the Columbus Dispatch
In the BCS

Alabama stayed No. 1, but Texas Tech is now a solid No. 2. As for Ohio State, Iowa's upset of Penn State spun the race for the Big Ten's automatic BCS qualifier -- a Rose Bowl spot -- into a three-way tie of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan State. Now it's simple: If Penn State (9-1, 5-1) wins out, including over Michigan State on Nov. 22, the Nittany Lions get the spot. If Michigan State (9-2, 6-1), idle this week, and Ohio State (8-2, 5-1) win out, the Buckeyes go to the Rose Bowl by virtue of their win over the Spartans. But in another wacky major college football season, it's folly to look past the very next Saturday.

DBQ1965 · November 10, 2008, 10:31:08 AM

Quote from: purplebuckeye on November 10, 2008, 09:49:56 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

From the Columbus Dispatch
In the BCS

Alabama stayed No. 1, but Texas Tech is now a solid No. 2. As for Ohio State, Iowa's upset of Penn State spun the race for the Big Ten's automatic BCS qualifier -- a Rose Bowl spot -- into a three-way tie of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan State. Now it's simple: If Penn State (9-1, 5-1) wins out, including over Michigan State on Nov. 22, the Nittany Lions get the spot. If Michigan State (9-2, 6-1), idle this week, and Ohio State (8-2, 5-1) win out, the Buckeyes go to the Rose Bowl by virtue of their win over the Spartans. But in another wacky major college football season, it's folly to look past the very next Saturday.

I think the Columbus Dispatch is already "politicking" for the Buckeyes.

purplebuckeye · November 10, 2008, 10:56:45 AM

I agree, the Dispatch is always slanted towards the Buckeyes. But who would have guessed that Penn State would lose to Iowa? I'm a Buckeye fan, but the Bucks have not really impressed me all season. Every time they play a descent game, they follow it up with a lackluster one. Who knows, they may struggle to win out against the Illini and Wolverines, and MSU may surprise Penn State. It just goes to show how weak the Big Ten has become the past few years and really hasn't had a dominant team.

dc_has_been · November 10, 2008, 11:47:00 AM

DBQ1965 & purplebuckeye- thanks for the updated info. Being from Michigan I'm hoping for a MSU victory over PSU (possible) & a UofM victory (very, very doubtful) over those Nuts from Columbus.

dc_has_been · November 10, 2008, 12:41:49 PM

Well, I wanted to get some playoff chatter going. If Franklin wins next week & finishes 9-1 w/ their only loss coming from a possible 10-0 Trine, what do you think they will be seeded for the playoffs?
Currently, if MUC moves out to the east that would be leaving NCC 1, Wabash 2, Trine 3, CWRU 4, Otterbein 5/6, Franklin 6/5, & then after that is a toss up for me. This would have Franklin possibly traveling to Trine or Case. I personally would like to see the the rematch.
Now if MUC stayes then Franklin could possibly face NCC or Wabash which could be interesting to say the least, but I doubt 1-3 in the north regional rankings will stay in the north when the playoff brackets are made. One will possibly move out to another bracket. I would think NCC west or MUC east, but I've been wrong many times before.
Thoughts???

SaintsFAN · November 10, 2008, 01:56:39 PM

Sayer,

Congrats.... At least she said yes.

There's also this to consider. I think if Ohio State wins out... they are guaranteed a BCS Berth. Follow me for a second.... 10 spots in the games (4 bowls +BCS game). You have the champions from the 6 BCS Conferences who will earn their place. Add to that a Utah or Boise State (cinderalla type) and thats 7 spots taken. Of the 6 power conferences, Ohio State will travel better and have an equal or better record than the ACC-Big East-PAC 10 runner ups will.

I'm not an Ohio State fan by any means... nor could I ever be tempted, even if Tressel gave me some of the money he gives Pryor. But thinking rationally, if they finish 1st or 2nd in the Big 10, they'll be in the BCS.

SaintsFAN · November 10, 2008, 01:58:26 PM

Quote from: purplebuckeye on November 10, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
I agree, the Dispatch is always slanted towards the Buckeyes. But who would have guessed that Penn State would lose to Iowa? I'm a Buckeye fan, but the Bucks have not really impressed me all season. Every time they play a descent game, they follow it up with a lackluster one. Who knows, they may struggle to win out against the Illini and Wolverines, and MSU may surprise Penn State. It just goes to show how weak the Big Ten has become the past few years and really hasn't had a dominant team.

Wasn't Ohio State THE dominant team in the Big 10 the last few years? I think what you meant to say was that the dominant Big 10 team, wasn't really a team that could compete nationally.

SaintsFAN · November 10, 2008, 02:14:57 PM

Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 09, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Sayer was in Gatlinburg. Congratulations to Defiance on winning. Though MSJ is obviously down, I thought they would be able to beat Defiance. DC can finally enjoy a week after an MSJ game, what's it been, 6-7 years since they've won???

And try not to compare DC beating MSJ to a team hoping to compete...MSJ isn't anywhere close to being a playoff team. The last time MSJ had 4 losses in the HCAC, we were 0-10...and the HCAC sucks this year. DC beat an OK at best team...that's all MSJ is right now. Maybe MSJ was looking forward to TMC, who knows, but the coaching staff needs to right the ship next year. This season is unacceptable.

Let the Countdown to the Bridge Bowl begin!!!!

Sayer or anyone else with the MSJ program...

Why is Palmer no longer playing QB. Is he hurt, been benched or did he go all "Rashon" on everyone??

I was reading through all of the press releases that MSJ's hard-working SID gets to Pat Coleman and D3football.com and I couldn't find a mention of anything. Wait a minute... no, thats right... I was on the MSJ website because the SID doesn't do anything but send emails to the Cincinnati Enquirer and hope that Lance McCallister calls for an interview of Rod Huber. Its a shame because when MSJ dominated the HCAC the last few years, there could've been more "advertising" being done of the "MSJ & Rod Huber Brand".

OK, my Monday thoughts on the Bridge Bowl:

I'm scared to death of a Mount St Joe team that has nothing to lose. If this were the first game that Hunterman were starting at QB, I'd feel better about it. As it is, the game is probably starting to slow down for him (I think this is the reason MSJ has lost recently). Thomas More needs to get in this kids grill. Just like we did when that lefty was playing QB in the Mudd Bowl that all you guys used to bitch about.

I'm glad we lost a game that essentially doesn't count for much... and that it wasn't Mount St Joe. I'm glad it happened before the Bridge Bowl and WASNT the Bridge Bowl (if you can follow me, if you can't follow that you probably "graduated" from MSJ). Our playoffs start this week.

Adam Sayer · November 10, 2008, 02:33:58 PM

Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2008, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

Correct!

That is not correct. Ohio State beat Michigan State head to head and that's the first qualification and as a result, OSU would go to the Rose Bowl. Now had Penn State not lossed to Iowa and Michigan State beat them...then Michigan State would go to the Rose Bowl as a result of qualification #2 - the team with more games against 1A opponents (FCS) would go. Michigan State didn't play a 1AA team this year, both OSU and Penn State did. The time factor is one of the later requirements for Rose Bowl consideration.

Ohio State needs Michigan State to beat Penn State and win out to get into the Rose Bowl. If not, they better hope someone forgives them for the big game fiasco's the past 2 years.

Adam Sayer · November 10, 2008, 02:42:11 PM

Kevin, I don't know. From the games I have watched, I haven't been that impressed with him. He's not terrible, but after having a year in as a starter, he should have had a pretty good year this year and I don't think he did as well as was expected of him. He could be hurt too. Again, I don't know and don't want to make assumptions. I was told they were starting 3 freshmen or 3 first year starters this year on the O-line (I forget which one it was). I'm sure that didn't help anything.

I agree 100% with the lack of press. When we went 10-0 we did get a good deal. There was a nice write up on Lawless that year, plus the big article after our first Bridge Bowl win. The problem with Cincinnati is that there is so much going on if you tried to give everyone their time every weekend, you'd have a 30-page sports section.

I have a Math degree (it's for education but it's still a math degree), I can follow numbers. It's the big fancy words that Bob uses that screw me up