BB: SUNYAC

[Bob Maxwell]

LOL....    and it really was an out loud laugh at Don's comments about the Senate hearings!  I am still laughing at that point!!!  Thanks Don...   

I think we all enjoy talking about this stuff... OR is it just that its raining and we don't have any games to discuss today or for the next few days?

I said it in my first post on this... that with the pitcher being my son, I don't want it to come across as sour grapes...  I just asked the question to see what the correct interpretation is.  AND I have to say that all four of you have really shown that you know your baseball and have a passion for getting things right!!!  That is great to know I'm not the only one...    Also, that we are all willing to hear others comments and weigh them with our thoughts without flipping out about it.

Communicating in this fashion... email and postings... makes if very difficult to actually have a conversatin about the finer points of the issue.  I think the one thing that both Don and Oxybob indicate in their posts is that the scorer has some discression as to what they do with the play. 

I think if you take both the rules quoted you can score it either way... it just depends on the subtle things that the scorer takes into consideration.  And we can't put ourselves in that moment after the fact.

Its not an issue taht will shake the world at its foundations or impact much no matter how it was scored, it was just a question asked because I thought it was incorrect.  It has sparked a lot of discussion... which is probably a good thing with the bad weather in the northeast, so it takes our minds off of being unable to watch games.

Good discussion... thanks! 


Anyone have any thoughs on how teams will be able to get in all their conference games?  If it rains so much that games can't be played this weekend, it will be hard to get them all in. 

And if they are all played in a bunch, what do you think the change in pitching rotations/matchups will mean to the final results of any games?

[Spence]

If I understand all of this right, Don Mattingly is correct if one exception is not true.

The first out should have been the man reaching by error. The second out should have been the man who reached on a fielder's choice (accounting for an out if there were no errors anyway). So that's two out, nobody on. Then the third out. 0 runs earned.

There is one possible but highly unlikely exception. If the ball that was a fielder's choice was such that a routine play was possible at second, but not at first, then in the reconstruction you'd say he was earned. But you could only do this if you could definitively say the batter-runner would have been safe if the fielder would have had to throw to first, because any doubt goes to the pitcher's benefit. Most likely if there wouldn't have been a play at first, you probably wouldn't charge an error on the throw to second. But I suppose it is possible.

Stuff like this is why I don't really pay that much attention to ERA. So many people screw up earned runs.

[John McGraw]

Cortland vs. Rochester game scheduled for Tuesday has been postponed. No make-up date has been set.

Cortland-Ithaca still set for Wednesday at Freeman Field.

[BoomerIL]

Snorkle and flippers???  Anyone?   

[fieldofdreams]

Heard that Cortland is headed down to Long Island to play a doubleheader against St. Joseph's on Wednesday.

[scuba16]

long island is under water, isn't it?

[Bob Maxwell]

Just the low spots... 

[jdex]

Indeed, Cortland at LI St. Joe's for Wednesday 1 p.m. twinbill. Actually a makeup of 4/6 ppd. Don't know if games at St. Joe's Patchogue campus or elsewhere on the Isle. Joe's 9-17 mark includes splits with Oneonta and fellow Skyline member Stevens Tech

[John McGraw]

Cortland and St. Joseph's have had a nice little rivalry after the last few years. Coach Brown's done a good job getting downstate and playing some of the Skyline schools each year. Offhand, Cortland's played Centenary, St. Joseph's, Mt. St. Mary, and Manhattanville just to name a few.

Not a lot of open dates left on Cortland and Ithaca's schedule. Especially with all the cancellations already. Cortland's schedule is pretty backloaded with still having to play New Paltz and Oneonta at home, plus make the trip up to Plattsburgh. Ithaca still has RIT and Utica on the road in conference, plus a smattering of non-conference single games.

We'll see how it shakes out. After all, the IC-Cortland games at Freeman Field are always the stuff of pure announcing gold.

[FranElia]

Bob,

Here are my two cents on the scoring issue you brought up.

Actually, I'm stealing "Spence's" two cents - he explained it the same way I would have. When re-creating the inning without errors or passed balls, the first batter who reached on an error would have been out #1. The next batter then reached on a fielder's choice, but in the "re-created" inning, there's nobody on first, so I assume the fielder could have thrown out the batter at first for out #2. Spence also mentions correctly that the only way you assume batter #2 reaches first bases in the "re-created" inning is if there was a play at second, but no play at first, in the scorer's judgment.

Assuming batter #2 would have been out on his grounder if the bases were empty, then the entire inning becomes unearned, in my opinion. If the only possible play was at second, then batter #2 reaches first in the "re-creation" and that changes things.

In other words, I agree with you Bob (and nice job Spence!!)

Fran Elia
Cortland SID

[Spence]

Thanks...you know what they say about good teachers.

Keep dodging the raindrops up there!

[fieldofdreams]

April 16
SUNYAC Pitcher of the Week
Jimmy Dougher - Cortland
Sr., Liverpool, NY/Liverpool
Dougher went a perfect 2-0 this past week on the mound while also recording a perfect 0.00 ERA. He threw six innings in a 9-3 win over Oswego only allowing four hits and striking out six before earning the win in a 9-0 victory over SUNYIT, throwing four innings and only allowing one hit while striking out four. For the week he only allowed five hits in 10 innings pitched while striking out 10 and not walking a batter.

SUNYAC Player of the Week
Dan Maycock - Cortland
Sr., OF, Utica, NY/T.R. Proctor
Maycock batted .500 this past week (11-22) with three doubles, one triple and nine RBI. He also scored seven runs and walked three times while stealing three bases in five games. Maycock started the week going 2-4 with a double in a 9-3 victory over Oswego before going a perfect 4-4 with a double and 3 RBI in a 12-9 victory over Centenary College. He also went 3-5 with a triple in a 6-8 loss to Keystone College.

[fieldofdreams]

Cortland 11 - St. Joseph's (NY) 1

Game 1 of 2, 7 innings games being played at Baseball Heaven complex in Yaphank, N.Y.

Matt Vitalone 2 opposite field home runs!

[red04]

Cortland-8  St. Joes-1    (2nd game)

[d3fan039]

2 wins for oswego today....moving them to 4-4 in league play.

Should be an interesting next couple weeks.....with everyone besides SUNYIT with postseason hopes. Hope the rain holds off

Any midseason predictions for which 4 teams will make the conference tourney or all SUNYAC team?