BB: SUNYAC

John McGraw · March 16, 2009, 03:26:17 PM

Quote from: Bob Maxwell on March 16, 2009, 01:27:13 PM
Brockport split with Keene yesterday, dropping the first one 13-4, but rebounding to win the second game 11-4. Jamie Rose is tatooing the ball to start the year.... hope he can keep it going while some of the other bats find their way.

So what's he (Rose) like 40 now?

Bob Maxwell · March 16, 2009, 03:31:06 PM

John,

thanks for the chuckle... but if the kids are that old, I get even older, so I hope he isn't 40!!!
LOL

Bob

AlleyCat · March 16, 2009, 03:51:44 PM

Cortland is legit and always is! Oneonta needs to play a tough schedule to get any recognition. At some point they need to realize that .500 against good comp is better than 10-2 against crap. You have to learn from the past and realize that those games do not prepare the team for league play and playing better teams. Even average teams can have good records against no name teams.

Play a better schedule and people will notice if you have a good ball club! Play 2nd division teams go 10-2 and no one cares.

Dave Bradley · March 17, 2009, 04:59:37 PM

No question about Cortland and how legit they are, the players don't make the schedule and Oneonta has some talented players despite whatever Florida schedule Rick Ferchen puts together. If my memory serves me correct, I would say they do OK in the SUNYAC, I think they make the post season nearly every season and I think just three years ago they tied Cortland for the top spot, including a season split with them but still the playoffs were held in Cortland and they lost. They may not be a National Power but they are a legitimate good team, in the most recent poll they did receive 27 votes and are just on the outside of the top 25. Never said they were better then Cortland, that would just be stupid, Cortland has been a national D3 power for years, all I said was that Oneonta could possibly get in the top 25 with a 12-0 start and they slipped up and went 11-1, and got 27 votes which I guess puts them at 30.

AlleyCat · March 18, 2009, 08:57:11 AM

Oneonta is a good team! Coach Ferchen is a baseball guy and really gets the most out of his talented kids. I think if they were tested more early it would help them compete with Cortland and maybe even get them a chance at an at large if they played a better southern schedule. Beating up on some questionable talent does give them a good record and numbers, but doesn't prepare them for light at the end of the tunnel. Are you playing for a good record or are you playing to win the league, Regional and the whole shootin match?

Just my thoughts.

Ruby Red Dawg · March 18, 2009, 12:51:59 PM

All we have learned from some early season games is that Corland and Oneonta are the only teams worth anything in the SUNYAC's. Once again Coach Brown and Coach Ferchen have estbalished teams tha are going to be there in the end. The way I look at it, the battle for 3rd and 4th is pointless. Brockport looks awful, hig expecations for this team in Western NY aand tthey have come know where close to them. Tough for those guys to do anything when they are giving up dou ble digits everyday on the field. Plattsburgh looks to be the thrid team and hopefully they can be, as to make sure the SUNYAC's are not a two man race all year.

Early season predictions:
Look for Joe Brown to wrap up coach of the year, while JAckson and Tone take care of the other major awards.

Good luck to all this season

scuba16 · March 18, 2009, 10:53:43 PM

Botton line is somebody has to beat matt tone to have a shot at the sunyac title and the pool a bid. Cortland is a different team this yr and i think thats apparent after looking at the boxscores and the stats. They are not going to hit alot of hr's but have hit 26 2b's and 9 3b's along with 43 sb's in 12 games! This is more of a speed team with a couple front line starters in tone and blanco. Anyhow, cortland is pretty good again and its going to take a great pitching effort to beat cstate on any day!

HotSoupTrio · March 19, 2009, 12:46:26 PM

Ruby,

Still a little early to make any statements like that that. You have to remeber that although thoser games that brockport are playing in Arizona may count for the stats, they really dont count for much else. When they return to NY they could always run the table regionally and still be in the regional title picture come may. I will adm it it does look a little shaky for them on the pitching staff, but I do feel it is it ealry to be packing the season in for them.

Bob Maxwell · March 19, 2009, 02:03:38 PM

Brockports start has been disappointing... to say the least. But they did split with Keene and lost a heart breaker to Kean. You can just toss out the game with Johns Hopkins as that was the snow ball rolling down the hill. It is disappointing to see doulbe digits as ofen as it has happened. I think their was discussion, or maybe it was in the d3baseball preview... I don't recall... where they and Oneonta were similar, and both of them would score runs, but their young pitching would need to find its self. I think that is still valid, despite the starts of the two teams.

So Hotsoup is on target with his last post.

A couple of comments on Brockports start: 1) they have played a pretty tough schedule... that their young pitchers are cutting their teeth on. 2) last year they started poorly as well, I think they were 6-12 at one point and still ended up in the SUNYAC finals against Cortland.

We will see what happens when everyone is up norht and playing each other. As I see it, the second spot in the SUNYAC is wide open for 3 or four teams to earn... and the season is young.

wordsmith · March 19, 2009, 02:18:29 PM

To the Brockport Fans,

I am over here on your Board from the New England - LEC Board.

I believe Brockport played both Keene State and Western New England. Anyone seeing both those contests care to comment on there respective strengths, weakness, hitting prowess, etc.

Thanks in advance for the input. And Good Luck to Brockport this year.

Thanks,

Word 8)

Jeff Locke · March 19, 2009, 05:30:39 PM

Hey Bob, Boy I didn't see this one coming. I know they have arms and I know they can pitch,but at this point I don"t know when! At this time nothing says it better than the saying your never as good as you think you are when your winning and your never as bad as you think you are when your losing. It will be interesting to see how they respond to this start.Their pitching and defense needs to take a big step forward. I have every confidence that they will. In the mean time my hair is turning gray and falling out faster than normal.

Ruby Red Dawg · March 20, 2009, 11:26:48 AM

If brockport was looking to answer back to any statement I made yesterday they certainly failed. After giving up two touchdowns and 2 extra point to WNEC, its safe rto say that they might be out of it for this year. I guess it might be to early to say that, with conference play starting next weekend, but I just dont see how they can win giving uop that many runs. Too bad, as a fan i am getting sick of seeing that same teams represented each yr. coach beach and his staff need to get a clue with what they are doing defensively.

Its a shame the SUNYAc's can't be similar to the NJAC where there is 5, 6 teams fighting it out each year.

Bob Maxwell · March 20, 2009, 12:17:40 PM

Jeff,

I hear you and feel the pain... it will turn around. It did last year after a slow start... but you can't keep doing that. We have to keep scoring runs and figure out how to stop them from doing that... See you at a game sometime in the next couple weeks.

Ruby,

It is to early to count anyone out... since no conference games have been played yet. And the answer to defense is to catch the ball, its not a difficult concept. Sometimes defense goes in cycles, so I am hoping its going to move to the top of the sign wave curve. I agree with you about the NJAC... the SUNYAC has had one top team and others who continue to battle to beat them for the last few years. The same four teams have been in the tournament the last 5 years... I still say that if anyone other then Brockport would beat Cortland in the tournament that someone else would go now and then. But that has not happened in the last 5 years... just Brockport. It would be nice to have the other three earn the recognition on the national stage that Cortland has earned. But they are all either to up and down from year to year, or don't play a tough representative schedule to be recognized.

I thought that it was turning around the last couple years... but right now I'm not so sure. BUT, the season is still young and there haven't been any conference games played yet so we have no idea who the other three teams will be that compete in the Cortland invitational on the first week of May.

We have to turn this start around... I think coach Beach knows what to do and can get it done!

John McGraw · March 20, 2009, 03:23:19 PM

Way too early to declare the season over for anyone. When you play in an automatic bid conference with a postseason tournament, the fat lady doesn't sing until the conference tournament title game is over.

And Brockport's not playing a schedule akin to Oneonta's, the Golden Eagles are playing extremely tough out-of-conference opponents - Kean and Hopkins are both nationally ranked, Keene State and William Paterson play in tough conferences (Little East, NJAC respectively) and Western New England is consistently solid.

I'll be more interested to see how the Golden Eagles do when they get back from Arizona. If the struggles continue, then maybe it's not their year. But until then, we'll wait and see.

RSSmith · March 20, 2009, 05:24:34 PM

Quote from: John McGraw on March 20, 2009, 03:23:19 PM
Way too early to declare the season over for anyone. When you play in an automatic bid conference with a postseason tournament, the fat lady doesn't sing until the conference tournament title game is over.

And Brockport's not playing a schedule akin to Oneonta's, the Golden Eagles are playing extremely tough out-of-conference opponents - Kean and Hopkins are both nationally ranked, Keene State and William Paterson play in tough conferences (Little East, NJAC respectively) and Western New England is consistently solid.

I'll be more interested to see how the Golden Eagles do when they get back from Arizona. If the struggles continue, then maybe it's not their year. But until then, we'll wait and see.

I just got back from Arizona (I'm a Hopkins fan), and let me say this about Brockport. They are a classy bunch of kids with a lot of heart who don't give up even when they're down 21-1. They won the last three innings of that game. The three, young lefties that pitched against Hopkins will keep getting better over the the course of the season and will make you proud at tournament time. Good luck.