BB: SUNYAC

[Bob Maxwell]

GAme #2:
Brockport 8 RIT 2
WP was James Joy
HR's by Todd Allen and Mike Goldstein

Missed this... WP in game #1, I think it was James Williamson

Come on Cortland... pull it out!
John, why would you think there would be a brawl?   

[John McGraw]

FINAL

Ithaca 8 (8-14-1) Cortland 0 (0-6-2)

Come on Cortland... pull it out!
John, why would you think there would be a brawl?  

Just having some fun That being said, the two teams have had some dust-up's over the last four to five years with one particular melee in Ithaca involving a fan that jumped the fence to get on the field. The following year, the game at Ithaca got off to a late start and was halted by darkness in the fifth right after Ithaca missed a three-run home run that would've won it.

[cstate19]

Good post by smithers yesterday at 11:48... some good points.  I don't agree with all of them, but well said.

And once you get to the tournament it is anybody's game to win it.  Yes, it HELPS to have pitching depth, but if some thing happens that is a surprise then anything can happen.  A top seed or pitcher loses a game and anyone has to scramble a little bit.  You throw your ace and lose a game and no matter who you are you have to wonder a little bit.  These things have happened in the past and could happen again.

It will be interesting to see what happens Saturday as the Oneonta-Cortland and Plattsburgh- Brockport games will go a long way to determine who will host.  It should be much clearer Saturday night...

Bob,

Reading this last post has left me utterly confused. You have basically just restated a post about pitching depth and put it into your own words. Of course if your ace goes out and loses in the first game your gonna be left scratching your head. But how do you overcome an early loss, with depth on your pitching staff. I do not care who you are, or how unhittable your number 1 is, your are not going anywhere in a tournament without pitching depth. Just look at the history of this tournmanet, why has there been a dominance by cortland? Pitching depth.

Just look at a couple instances within the last few years of the SUNYACS

200?-Present-Cortland throws one of there bottom tier starters (3,4,5,6) and is able to a)get a win with them or b) overcome an early loss because they are so deep in pitching. Example: Young Dougher in 2005, Bilyk in 2006, Rowlands in 2008

2005-Oneonta-Salamida and Schellinger win first two, lose 2 in the finals

2006-Brockport-Maxwell and Dennstedt win first two, lose 2 in the finals

200?-Plattsburgh- Hoffman, Dahlin or Kelley give them a quality start/innings...know one is there to take the torch

As down as Cortland has looked this year, i think yesterday with there game against STJF was a prime example of how scary they still might be. Blanco the MVP of the 2008 NY Regional is yanked early, with what looks to be a control issue, Mahay comes in and cleans up the mess for 5+ innings.

Plattsburgh is 0-10 in SUNYAC playoffs.  It isn't pitching depth that bothers them.  I would say it has been a whole lotta things.

We can all tell that this is a different Cortland team when compared to past years.  Can everyone stop re-stating that? 

[whitey16]

looks like another tough loss for cortland..... cant seem to get any consistancy at short.....joe b looks like he is reinventing the wheel...... infielders are outfielders.....outfielders are infielders ...  power hitters batting leadoff....new team on the field each day.......i wish cortland luck but its hard to be consistant when there is no consistancy  good luck

[StarvinMarvin]

Times like these is when the true ability of a coach is shown and I think that's why you're seeing Cortland struggle.  Not that it's any one person's fault but from what I know of the program Brown gets all the credit and should be equally willing to take responsibility.  Any coach can study the game and win with good players but not every coach has that "IT" factor going on or a presence about them.  The guy is too much of a rollercoaster when I watch their games, FAIRWEATHER would describe it best.  IMO, the best coaches show their true ability when things aren't going well or a program faces a setback.  When you have injuries or a lack of talent, you find ways to get the most out of your players mentally, emotionally and of course physically.  Brown chooses to place blame on his players more often than not it seems.  It's ok to do that when necessary but if you do it all the time, your players aren't going to want to run through a wall for you.  That working relationship is what allows a coach to get the most out of the talent he has to work with IMO.  Year by year teams are different and a coach needs to figure out his team's identity and by this time of year have things figured out.  A guy like Valesente is a prime example.  The guy lost a ton of talent but gets the most out of his players year in and year out through his coaching style/strategies.   

[whitey16]

amen marvin

[magicman]

Plattsburgh St. loses at Division I Univ. of Vermont 9-8 in 10 innings. UVM scored 2 runs in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game at 8 and won it with a 2 out RBI single in the bottom of the 10th.
Freshman Matt O'Leary, Plattsburgh's fourth pitcher of the day, kept the Cardinals in front by throwing three scoreless innings while allowing just one hit. He is the reigning pitcher of the week by the Eastern College Athletic (Upstate) and State University of New York Athletic conferences.   

[Cardinal Sin]

Times like these is when the true ability of a coach is shown and I think that's why you're seeing Cortland struggle.  Not that it's any one person's fault but from what I know of the program Brown gets all the credit and should be equally willing to take responsibility.  Any coach can study the game and win with good players but not every coach has that "IT" factor going on or a presence about them.  The guy is too much of a rollercoaster when I watch their games, FAIRWEATHER would describe it best.  IMO, the best coaches show their true ability when things aren't going well or a program faces a setback.  When you have injuries or a lack of talent, you find ways to get the most out of your players mentally, emotionally and of course physically.  Brown chooses to place blame on his players more often than not it seems.  It's ok to do that when necessary but if you do it all the time, your players aren't going to want to run through a wall for you.  That working relationship is what allows a coach to get the most out of the talent he has to work with IMO.  Year by year teams are different and a coach needs to figure out his team's identity and by this time of year have things figured out.  A guy like Valesente is a prime example.  The guy lost a ton of talent but gets the most out of his players year in and year out through his coaching style/strategies.   

You would think Brown a disciple of the Coach V school of basebal would have learned some of this...

[John McGraw]

Plattsburgh St. loses at Division I Univ. of Vermont 9-8 in 10 innings. UVM scored 2 runs in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game at 8 and won it with a 2 out RBI single in the bottom of the 10th.
Freshman Matt O'Leary, Plattsburgh's fourth pitcher of the day, kept the Cardinals in front by throwing three scoreless innings while allowing just one hit. He is the reigning pitcher of the week by the Eastern College Athletic (Upstate) and State University of New York Athletic conferences.   

Eh. Vermont's dropping baseball at the end of the year.

[Bob Maxwell]

What do we think the weather will be this weekend?  I see 55-60 degree temps both days, but on some forecasts there is a chance of rain on either day.  Hope it is good weather so that everything can be played... without weather impacting games. 

anyone near Brockport, Cortland, Oswego or Fredonia have any weather man in them?

[Bob Maxwell]

Does anyone know where you can find the box scores on the Plattsburgh website?  Its nice to have the satts on the site, but I don't see any box scores...

[John McGraw]

Does anyone know where you can find the box scores on the Plattsburgh website?  Its nice to have the satts on the site, but I don't see any box scores...

I don't think they post them. And surprisingly, there are no box scores listed on the conference site either.

Who knows why. In regards to school's not posting boxes, I've heard a myriad of reasons through the years including my favorite, a coach not wanting them posted so the opponent couldn't scout them ahead of time.

Bob,

If there's a certain game you're looking for, just go to the other school's web site and they should have a box posted (unless it's Oswego then you're SOL).

[Smithers]

Times like these is when the true ability of a coach is shown and I think that's why you're seeing Cortland struggle.  Not that it's any one person's fault but from what I know of the program Brown gets all the credit and should be equally willing to take responsibility.  Any coach can study the game and win with good players but not every coach has that "IT" factor going on or a presence about them.  The guy is too much of a rollercoaster when I watch their games, FAIRWEATHER would describe it best.  IMO, the best coaches show their true ability when things aren't going well or a program faces a setback.  When you have injuries or a lack of talent, you find ways to get the most out of your players mentally, emotionally and of course physically.  Brown chooses to place blame on his players more often than not it seems.  It's ok to do that when necessary but if you do it all the time, your players aren't going to want to run through a wall for you.  That working relationship is what allows a coach to get the most out of the talent he has to work with IMO.  Year by year teams are different and a coach needs to figure out his team's identity and by this time of year have things figured out.  A guy like Valesente is a prime example.  The guy lost a ton of talent but gets the most out of his players year in and year out through his coaching style/strategies.   

You would think Brown a disciple of the Coach V school of basebal would have learned some of this...

I'm not to sure about this, but I do remember hearing a few comments at a couple alumni festivities that Coach Val and Coach Brown do not exactly see eye to eye. Does anyone else have any information on that?

[Bob Maxwell]

John, thanks... that is what I did.  Was just going to look at the last few as I do before a team playes Brockport.  Just for my own information so I have a clue who is who and what has been happening.  Having the stats on the page is a big improvement... now we need to get the box scores up so that their fans can go over them.

Smithers, I don't have any idea...  Perhaps John's tounge in cheek comment about the past points to the relationship a little.  but that is just a guess...

[John McGraw]

I'm not to sure about this, but I do remember hearing a few comments at a couple alumni festivities that Coach Val and Coach Brown do not exactly see eye to eye. Does anyone else have any information on that?

Not really sure.

Smithers, I don't have any idea...  Perhaps John's tounge in cheek comment about the past points to the relationship a little.  but that is just a guess...

Nah, the on-field stuff was on the field, just players saying and doing stupid things and then unfortunately that resulted once in fisticuffs. Nothing more.