BB: SUNYAC

[Bob Maxwell]

It looks like the only things that we know for sure at this point are:
1) that the tournament field will be different this year as Fredonia has clinched a spot in the tournament.
2) Cortland has clinched a spot in the tournament
3) Oswego is eliminated - because either Oneonta or New Paltz will end up with 5 wins at the end of their series next weekend.

We still don't know for sure:
Where the tournament will be...
Who the four teams will be...
What the final seeding will be...

GREAT YEAR!!!

I hope the tournament will be as exciting!!!

[Big Louie]

So much for Oneonta hosting the tourney and being the best Red Dragons....Coach Ferchen best coach in SUNYAC right? may have coached his way right out of the tourney. Filak not throwing against Oswego may have been their fate.

I predict:
Cortland 10-2
Fredonia 8-4
Brockport 7-5
Plattsburgh 6-6

Oneonta on the outside looking in

[cstate19]

Updated after the scores (and wow those are some scores).  

Cortland 8-2
Fredonia 7-3
Brockport 6-4
Plattsburgh 4-4
Oneonta 4-6
New Paltz 3-7
Oswego 2-8

Cortland is in.  Fredonia is in.  

Shouls be a great weekend.

[cstate19]

So much for Oneonta hosting the tourney and being the best Red Dragons....Coach Ferchen best coach in SUNYAC right? may have coached his way right out of the tourney. Filak not throwing against Oswego may have been their fate.

I predict:
Cortland 10-2
Fredonia 8-4
Brockport 7-5
Plattsburgh 6-6

Oneonta on the outside looking in

Looks pretty accurate to me.  By your logic you have Cortland sweeping Plattsburgh and Plattsburgh sweeping Oneonta.  Fredonia and Brockport splitting.

With Plattsburgh playing 4, who do they start and when?     

[Big Louie]

i think you mean plattsburgh sweeping Oswego.

Plattsburgh has to pitch its best two guys on Sunday hands down. If Coach Doorey doesnt throw his best two against Oswego it might be the dumbest coaching move since Ferchen wasted one of his best against Cortland.  They will not be joining the Red Dragons at Wallace field in 2 weeks if he does this!!!

[Bob Maxwell]

Here is this weeks topic for discussion... What happens if there is a 3 way tie at 6-6?  It could happen with Brockport, Plattsburgh and Oneonta.

   

What is the tie breaker procedure in a 3 way tie?  If the first tie breaker is to total up the records among the three teams? Then...
Plattsburgh is 3-1 (2-0 vs Oneonta; 1-1 vs Brockport)
Oneonta is 2-2 (2-0 vs Brockport; 0-2 vs Plattsburgh)
Brockport is 1-3 (1-1 vs Plattsburgh; 0-2 vs Oneonta)


I belive the first tie breaker if two teams are tied and split their games with each other, is to compare their results against the top seeded teams until one has a better record.

So 2 way ties would be:
If Cortland is the top seed:
- Brockport split with Cortland
- Plattsburgh - unknown against Cortland (sweep Cortland and they are in)
- Oneonta lost two to Cortland
- New Paltz lost two to Cortland

IF Fredonia ends up the top seed:
NOTE: Cortland would have to lose twice to Plattsburgh and Fredonia win once against Brockport for Fredonia to finish first
- Oneonta split with Fredonia
- New Paltz split with Fredonia
- Brockport unknown against Fredonia
- Plattsburgh lost 2 to Fredonia

Brockport wins one game vs Fredonia and they are in the tournament.

Plattsburgh sweeps Cortland and they are in.  Or Oneonta wins one game vs New Paltz.  Plattsburgh wins a tie with New Paltz at 5-7 ONLY IF with one win next weekend is against Cortland as that would mean they split and Cortland beat New Paltz twice.
Plattsburgh wins two games next weekend and New Paltz is eliminated.
Platttsburgh wins 3 games and they are in the tournament

The only way New Paltz gets in is that they HAVE to beat Oneonta twice and either:
1) Plattsburgh loses four games (New Paltz is in);
or
2) Plattsburgh loses 3 games and they end up tied at 5-7... if they are tied with Plattsburgh and Plattsburgh lost both games to Cortland, they win the tie breaker because they split with Fredonia.

Oneonta's only shot is in a tie with Brockport at 6-6 or a three way tie with Brockport and Plattsburgh. (if I'm correct about the 3-way tie breakers)  Brockport wins one game and Oneonta is eliminated as they would lose a head to head tie breaker with Plattsburgh.

WOW, this feels like the NFL...   
 

Fran, as you are the only conference personality who posts on here that we know about, can you clarify the 3-way tie breaker and confirm that I am correct on the two way tie breaker.
   

[FranElia]

Bob, I only have access to the 2007-08 SUNYAC Handbook (last year's). The tiebreaker listed below, therefore, was correct for last year, but I can't be sure if it's the same this year.

Fran


2008 SUNYAC Baseball Tiebreaker (Last season's tiebreaker - not sure if it's been changed)

1. If there is a tie(s) for any place(s) in the standings, then the results of the in-season head-to-head competition shall be used to break that tie.

2. If two teams split their in-season games, then the committee shall use the best record against highest seeded remaining teams in descending order.

     For example:

     a) If two teams are tied for first, then the record vs. the #3 team would be compared.  This procedure would continue 4,5,6,etc. until tie is broken.

     b) If two teams tied for 5th, then their record vs. the #1 team would be compared.  Then 2,3,etc.

     If two teams are still tied:
     1. Total runs allowed in all conference games.
     2. Total runs allowed in doubleheader with each other.
     3. Runs allowed in descending order of teams' standings.


3. If there is a tie among three or more teams for a place in the standings, the committee shall use the overall records of the tied teams against each other as the tie-breaker.  The team(s) with the best record vs. each other shall be given the higher seed.  Between the remaining two teams the procedure for the two-team tie-breaker shall be used.

4. If there is a tie among three or more teams for a place in the standings, and after comparing the overall records of the tied teams against each other, there still remains a three-way tie, then the committee shall use the best record against the highest seeded teams remaining in descending order as the tie-breaker.  If a tie still exists, the least number of runs allowed in double header between the two/three tied teams against each other would be the next criteria to break the tie.  If still tied, the head-to-head winner in the nine inning game will advance.

(My note: the last sentence in #4 obviously doesn't apply any more since the league now plays two 9-inning games and not one 9 and one 7)

[Bob Maxwell]

Thanks Fran...

Also, I missed one as there is another way for Oneonta to get a spor in the tournament.  I don't know how as this is all as clear as mudd...   

Oneonta can get in IF they win one game from New Paltz AND Plattsburgh loses all four games next weekend .

Sorry about that...   

[cstate19]

i think you mean plattsburgh sweeping Oswego.

Plattsburgh has to pitch its best two guys on Sunday hands down. If Coach Doorey doesnt throw his best two against Oswego it might be the dumbest coaching move since Ferchen wasted one of his best against Cortland.  They will not be joining the Red Dragons at Wallace field in 2 weeks if he does this!!!

Yes that is what I meant.   

[John McGraw]

What a wild weekend. I can't remember the last time that almost every spot was up for grabs and so many teams were in the mix of things.

Cortland has only been up to the "Chip" twice in recent history and Plattsburgh has played them very tough there, including an 8-7 win in 2007.

I'm glad that Plattsburgh has LiveStats for home baseball games now.

[cstate19]

What a wild weekend. I can't remember the last time that almost every spot was up for grabs and so many teams were in the mix of things.

Cortland has only been up to the "Chip" twice in recent history and Plattsburgh has played them very tough there, including an 8-7 win in 2007.

I'm glad that Plattsburgh has LiveStats for home baseball games now.

Good for them.  Maybe now they can work on getting individual game box scores and correcting the stat page which has been a wreck for about a week now.

http://web.plattsburgh.edu/athletics/cardathletics/baseball/stats.php

[sergispie]

Well looks like next weekend is going to be a wild weekend. Plattsburgh has no shot of beating Cortland so they should just pitch their best, whoever that is at this point, against Oswego. Plattsburgh's staff is very questionable. They might as well give up 60 runs to Cortland and throw everyone at Oswego just to get in. Oneonta needs to take care of business since they dropped one to Oswego. Better throw Juedes and Filak against New Paltz. Brockport needs one game to get in. Is there any question who they should pitch in that game, their one and only guy Shannon. Fredonia, how did they get in. I am still in aw on this one. Brockport needs a split and then they will face Fredonia in the first round of the tourney in the 2 vs. 3 matchup. Oneonta needs too much to happen, I think that they will sweep but it wont be enough. As long as Plattsburgh just throws away the Cortland games and sweeps Oswego Plattsburgh is in. So as Dave said

1. Cortland
2. Fredonia
3. Brockport
4. Plattsburgh

we will see though, anything can happen in the sunyac.

[Dave Bradley]

What a season for Oneonta and their coach Rick Ferchen, 1st they lose a very tough DH at Plattsburgh, 1-0 and then the huge 6-0 lead that Filak lost, then they go to Cortland and actually score some runs but get swept anyway, then they go to Oswego and in game two blow a 5-1 lead, Ferchen goes to the wrong relief pitcher when he does not go to Andreson, who has been excellent all season, in the game he absoulutely has to have until the game is 15-5 then he goes to Andreson, Oneonta comes up with 8 in the 9th but the hole was a little to big by then and they lose 15-13.

[John McGraw]

What a wild weekend. I can't remember the last time that almost every spot was up for grabs and so many teams were in the mix of things.

Cortland has only been up to the "Chip" twice in recent history and Plattsburgh has played them very tough there, including an 8-7 win in 2007.

I'm glad that Plattsburgh has LiveStats for home baseball games now.

Good for them.  Maybe now they can work on getting individual game box scores and correcting the stat page which has been a wreck for about a week now.

http://web.plattsburgh.edu/athletics/cardathletics/baseball/stats.php

Some schools do not post game box scores, I believe Plattsburgh is one of them. I know back when I was in school, my alma mater didn't post overall statistics online during the season. This wasn't because the sports information office wasn't doing its' job, it was because the players on the team had voted to not have them posted online.

[tripleplay9]

So as of now by my estimation it is only possible for Fredonia or Cortland to host? Can anyone clear this up for me?