BB: SUNYAC

[jdex]

Cortland actually 8-0. Friday's date with Suffolk, Mass, canceled by rain in Port Charlotte

Washington Coll 5, Oneonta 4
Plattsburgh 16, Mt. St. Mary 5

SFJ, thumb back a few pages and there are indications of whom could be threat to CSt Red Dragons. Bport gets a few votes, most from `The Max.'

[John McGraw]

Brockport this week in Arizona

Tuesday - Johns Hopkins 7 Brockport 6
Wednesday - Brockport 22 McDaniel 3 (Darnley scored on a two-point conversion for the Golden Eagles extra point)
Thursday - Brockport 6 Dickinson 1, Brockport 7 Dickinson 3

[Bob Maxwell]

Glad to be back... looks like I missed a lot while in Phoenix... mostly snow and cold!!!

7 days of sunny, 88-90 degrees and a lot of baseball... I don't know how the teams in the west and south can get through a season having to deal with all that sunshine and warm weather.  LOL

Saw some good games... you've all given the scores.  So I won't.

Looks like the SUNYAC is going to be a four team race again... Cortland has some good wins, Rowan and Carthage are both good teams.  Brockport beat Alvernia two games, split with Keene and had a stinker with Montclair...  Oneonta and Plattsburgh are off to strong starts against cupcake schedules, but they are winning by good margins so they are dominant against them.

no matter what happens now, the big games will be the SUNYAC ones... the tune ups are fun, but meaningless unless you lose to weak teams.  I don't see any of the top four doing that yet...  conference games will come down to itching and defense... and wh ohas the most of each.

by the way, nice to be back in the 28 degrees and snow fall... NOT!!!

[d3fan039]

Save it scubasteve  

6 hr's in a game.....what kind of pitching were they facing, perhaps a little league team.

I see plattsburgh is playing a legit schedule this spring.....Medaille may just make it all the way to Wisconsin. I see jimmy dynomite isnt fairing too well in his 5th campaign...must be that bad karma taking over .091 ba....not too impressive for father time.  

[Bob Maxwell]

About the Cortland win over Bowdoin... yes they were their conference champion last year, but the conference can't be mistaken for the NJAC or even the SUNAYC... and they were 2 and gone.  However, you have to give them their due as they did win the conference...

Cortland does not duck anyone... so this isn't a shot at them, but the pitching they hit the 6 dingers off of may have been suspect.... BUT you still have to hit the ball, as they don't just happen.

This time of year, many of the games that turn out like this score are either because of complete mismatches or if it happnes between two good teams it is the way a pitching match up works out because of 8-10 games in a 7 day period.

And becuase of that, you can't put much weight in the one sided games.  If you do, you get twisted around trying to figure it out. 

As evidence, I give the following three scores of games played within a 4 day period;  on 3/11 - Brockport 13 Alvernia 4; on 3/12 -M ontclair 17 Brockport 4; and on 3/14 - Alvernia 13 Montclair 3.  Is any one of these three teams a "cupcake"... it just happens some times...  You finish it, put it behind you and play the next day.

Moral is, don't put to much weight on one game... look at the enitre body of work.

[scuba16]

doc baseball,
r u kidding me. ur on basnight again? leave that kid alone, he applied to the ncaa for a medical redshirt and they granted it. go call the ncaa and complain or i'll call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-mbulance for u! on to c-state's win over bowdoin, if u ever played baseball u would know that sometimes it doesn't matter who ur playing against, u swing the bat and things happen. cortland just happens to have a ton of guys that can rake and bowdoin was unfortunate to run into them!
can't wait till cortland starts wrecking sunyac competition, i'm gonna be on here everyday telling all u cortland-haters hear about it!

[Bostonian]

It should also be noted that Bowdoin lost it's top 3 or 4 pitchers from last year....they are definitely in rebuilding mode. My guess is they'll be a middle of the pack NESCAC team this year.

[Bob Maxwell]

Scuba,

I understand your getting angry at the tone of Dr. Baseball's post, especially if your a Corland fan.  Just take the comments in the (obviously) sarcastic manner that they are stated.  And not attack someone personally.

I don't want to bring this up on here again, as I've said that we just need to trust that it has been dealt with (or is being delat with) at higher levels... but you make a statement that makes it sound as if you have first hand knowledge of the situation... if you do, please share details of any waiver request that may have been submitted with us and so we can all put this to rest once and for all.    Or did  you just make the statement without any firsthand knowledge?  As a shot at Dr. Baseball.   

I don't think anyone on here is a Cortland hater... just people who respect what they've done in years past and want to beat them.  And I do think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and as long as he/she doesn't go overboard with outragous unsubstantiable comments.  I for one welcome the differing views and look forward to the challenge and competition of the season.

Also, while you don't state it in your post (it is inferred that Cortland) "wrecked" the SUNYAC last year...  the evidence is hardly that.  They were tied for the regular season title and won it on a tie breaker.  They won the tournament, but had to go to the last possible game to do so...  and they lost a game to Oswego.  6 of the 8 games with Oneonta and Brockport last year (with two exceptions, one loss and one win) were decided by 3 runs or less.  So there are teams in the SUNYAC who can complete at the same level.

Yes Cortland won the championship... but there is quality competition within the conference.  It hurts the conference to even infer that there isn't... as a group, the SUNYAC needs to get to the point where we can compete together to get two teams into the tournament.  Making sweeping disparaging comments like you make is not the way to get to that point.

Respect all.... fear none....


I look forward to an exciting 2007 season...

[Bob Maxwell]

Bostonian, thanks for the information... good to hear from someone who follows the region and conference a team is from.

[scuba16]

Bob,
Well as far as 1st hand knowledge of the basnight situation goes, I know as much as everyone else, maybe a little more! But it is pretty cut and dry, to recieve a waiver, paperwork must have been submitted to the ncaa and they obviously granted a 5th year for the kid. No favoritism because the kid plays at cortland, the ncaa doesn't care. It bothers me that people would come on here and take pot shots at a kid because the ncaa granted a 5th year of eligibility! Dr baseball called the kid "father time" and made fun of his BA thus far this year. Absolutely ridiculous!
By the way, it is true there are other decent programs in the sunyac, brockport, oswego and oneonta seem to put out good teams year to year but look at the sunyac champions from 1992 to present and u will see cortland has won the sunyac 13 out of the past 15 years!
That is pretty much dominance any way u slice it. As far as your point about winning and margin of victory, what does it really matter? A win is a win and a loss is a loss regardless of how much u won or lost by. I would rather be Cortland over who ever came close to beating them last year but lost on the final day!
MY OPINION is that Cortland is the class of the sunyac and thats my opinion. It is a substantiated opinion based on Cortland's in conference winning % over the past 15-16 years along with the # of sunyac championships they have won. On the national scene, Cortland is one of the best D-3 programs in the country based on the succes they have had in the regionals and the WS! Hopefully soon they can get over the WS hump and hang a National Championship banner, They have been very close!
Your responses are informative and respected but last time i checked, unless you spoke to Dr. Baseball you have no idea whether he was being sarcastic or not. I will post well thought out opinions and respect mine just as i will respect yours!

[Bob Maxwell]

Scuba.

I understand about what it takes to apply for a waiver, and it is hard to get one no matter what the situation... but you once again, dropped in some inuendo about maybe knowing a little more about the situation then your telling.  That is what keeps it alive on here, the inuendo and sarcastic replies to that.  As far as I'm concerned its dead... you play who is on the roster and move forward.

I think it is pretty clear from the first two lines about Plattsburgh and Medaille that Dr. BAseball was being sarcastic in the last paragraph.  I read it as the same thing with the later comments...  Reading it again, I do agree that maybe it was not the best decision to mention the BA, as that gets to be personal.. I missed that.  But remember, its not what you hit in March that matters, its what you do in the tournament that counts. And Jim has done well the last few years...

I think the comments that you both make about the number of HR's and the quality of pitching are just harmless banter that is in fun.  I can tell by posts from both of you that you know baseball and like to verbally joust a little.

And your correct about the quality of Cortland in the SUNYAC and the longevity of that quality does equate to being the dominant team in the conference.  But that doesn't equate to "wrecking" the competition... they've won consistently over the years.  But if you look through the years, there is always a team or two that can compete with them.  My opinin is that is becasue they play a very competative non-conference schedule that instills confidence in the players when it comes to crunch time.  They've been there and done that.

Brockport has done that same type of scheduling for the last several years, and hopefully it will transfer into being mentally tougher and stronger when the crunch time comes in conference play.  It would serve the conference better if a few other teams would do the same thing and upgrade the level of their non-conference schedules.  Rather then hang their hats on a 30 win season against weaker teams... show that they deserve a bid against a nationally reputable schedule.  That would not only help them but the other conference teams as well...

It would be interesting to see what if the conference would get a second bid to the tournament if more of the teams played a strong out of conference schedule.  It can't hurt, as both Oneonta and Plattsburgh have not received anything despite having great records the last couple of years.

I am very aware of the records in the conference and I agree with your opinion that Cortland is the dominant team in the conference and they have earned any national recognition that they get.  It was very evident in 2004 when they lost the SUNYAC automatic bid to Brockport... as they received an at large bid.  It would be nice for all in the conference if we could get a second bid every year... I though it might happen last year, until the rain played havoc with the Liberty League playoffs...

As always, it is interesting to hear others thoughts and opinions...

[Bob Maxwell]

Forgot one thing... the only person who I know personally who posts on here is John McGraw.  AND we only met and talked a couple of times...

Look forward to some interesting insights from everyone as the season unfolds.

[jdex]

Cortland 12, ranked Western New England 4. Red Dragons 9-0

[jdex]

Cortland's J. Dougher goes 5.1 boosting record to 3-0. Red Dragons up 3-1 when S. Caughey pinch-hits 2r hr in 7th. Corts post six spot in 8th to seal it. Collect 15 hits, three apiece by T. Robinson (2 2bh), A. Gardner, S. Nickel (2bi, 2r). CSt winds down Port Charlotte trip, 1-2WNE (ranked 21) beginning theirs. Raps 10 hits

[scuba16]

Bob,
Interesting to to hear your opinion on ncaa bids. Do you think that the sunyac should get 2 automatic bids? Based on the # of teams playing in the sunyac conference it might not be a bad idea. Question is who loses a bid in order for sunyac getting a 2nd? The problem with that is u may have to beat a team u already beat to get to the ncaa's! Some may say that if you get beat in your conference tourney, you shouldn't get a shot at the ncaa's unless you play a very tough out of conference schedule, against national programs ala cortland in 2004 when they lost to brockport and still got a bid and deservingly so! Maybe a solution could be that the NY region should look into making a permanent 6 team, all ny region regional instead of bringing in E Conn like last year or njac teams like in the past to get to 6 and leaving out oneonta or brockport etc! I am opposed to bringing outside teams in because it is kind of ridiculous for a conneticut team to represent the ny region in the WS like last year. NY has its own region for a reason, there are a ton of d-3 baseball teams playing baseball in ny and 1 should represent the ny region every year in the WS. E Conn shouldn't of been here last year!
As far as there being  teams over the years that competed with cortland, no doubt the truth. When I played at cortland, oswego was very good 1 yr  (senior heavy)but hit or miss the next. Same thing could be said for oneonta. New Paltz was always bad, Brockport was OK and Bingamton occasionally fielded a competitive team but we always put the best team on the field and won.  The same thing can be said for the cortland teams for the past 15-16 years, most of them won and for good reason, very good coaching, very good players, clutch play at the right time  and refusing to lose. I know the other teams in the sunyac desperately want to take that from cortland and it makes for some good in-conference rivalries. Should be an interesting year, but I can't see cortland losing more than 1 game in conference, if that. There just isn't a dominating enough pitcher (like salimida) on any of the sunyac teams to shut down the red dragons offensively this year not to mention the quality depth of pitching that cortland will roll at u! I could be wrong but..