BB: SUNYAC

[Spree]

Freeman Field is nice...the surroundings are great and its a great complex.  However, the infield is horrendous.  Huge lips all across the infield.

When I'm comparing fields, I'm not talking about the whole package.  I'm talking about just the infield.  Brockports infield surface is 10x better than Ithaca's.

[Bob Maxwell]

Cycle, Bport & Spree,

Lets try to keep the comments on a rational level... and not get personal with them.  As that type of comment is not the way to post on here.  

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and should express it on here.  But please don't go the route of making atttacks on a person or program.  If you want to make a statement of opinion, state that its your opinion, but then qualify what you say with something of substance.

The comment on Brockports "complex" being a glorified HS one is something that is hard to make or defend without some more information (and frankly doesn't matter).  As with out some more information it is just someone venting.

There are HS complex's all over the country that would put ANY field D-III field in NYS to shame.  As in some areas the HS have better facilities then many colleges.  BUT as I said, that really doesn't matter.

Also, I am reading beteen the lines here, that the comment about HS complex's is talking about the stadium feel of a complex and not the playing surface.  The surface at Brockport is top quality... and does compare very favorably with any that I've seen in NYS.  The "complex" is not a stadium fell like the just now referenced "Freeman Field" at Ithaca... but it suites the purpose of keeping the game on the field and providing good seating and sight lines for spectators.  The pressbox is very nice and provides the required services to give game information.  And while the parking is not paved, it is far more convenient to the field then in some of the other "complex's" that I would guess others would rate above Brockports.  Those are all factors that need to be considered.

AND the playing surfaces are very comparable...

Having elevated seating does not make the field better.

Lets stay objective and not act as five year olds and aruge over who has the shinest toys.

Chairman, I have always liked watching games at Freeman field... great views and the seating does give a nice view of the game.  BUt I have no idea what type of surface the playing field is... but can say as a spectator that it is nice to watch a game there.

[Bob Maxwell]

Based on this last discussion, what would you think about opening a new thread in the New York message board to give an analysis of the different baseball comlex's and playing surfaces in NY?

Stadium complex:
Access to field (ticketing possibilities)
parking (proximity to seating areas)
parking (ability to park without getting a ticket during a weekday game)
parking (number of spaces)
parking (quality of parking surface)
Seating areas (type and quality fo seats)
seating (number of seats)
seating (quality of sight lines to field)
seating (proximity to the action)
Gerneral (views of campus or surroundings):
restrooms (distance from seating)
restrooms (quality of facilities
concessions (distance from seating)
concessions (quality of menu and facility)
scorebaord
game information (PA system, programs available)
game information (quality of announcements)
Fencing types

Playing surface;
quality of infield grass (flat)
quality of infield grass (thickness)
quality of infield skin (type of material)
quality of infield skin (flat and smooth)
entire infield, how does it take water during games
entire infield, how does it drain
grass lines - are they manicured and flant
home plate area - material
home plate area - is it flat or are their holes
home plate area - how does it react when wet during games
outfield quality of grass
outfield surface, is it flat
outfield drainage
warning track areas - how wide
warning track areas - enitre field or only in some places
warning track areas - how doe sit take water
mound - how high
mound - what slope
mound - type of material
mound - how does it act when it takes water during a game
overall field flat
irrigation on it
quality of tarp
other

This is a quick list of things to consider... I am sure I missed some things.  I think this would be interesting to find out.  We most likely would need to send a survey to coaches asking for the information on the playing surfaces... but we as spectators and fans could assess the complex's.

[Bob Maxwell]

Spree, last comment was a very good observation... maybe I shouldn't have listed you in my post about not getting personal.

[hitforthecycle]

Spree, I apologize for the moron comment even though I still disagree with your statements.  As for Bob, you don't need to lecture everyone on here who makes a comment.  If someone wants to get a llittle personal without going overboard then so be it.  Who are you the comment police?  Here's some advice Bob, speak when spoken to!

[JQV]

Based on this last discussion, what would you think about opening a new thread in the New York message board to give an analysis of the different baseball comlex's and playing surfaces in NY?

Stadium complex:
Access to field (ticketing possibilities)
parking (proximity to seating areas)
parking (ability to park without getting a ticket during a weekday game)
parking (number of spaces)
parking (quality of parking surface)
Seating areas (type and quality fo seats)
seating (number of seats)
seating (quality of sight lines to field)
seating (proximity to the action)
Gerneral (views of campus or surroundings):
restrooms (distance from seating)
restrooms (quality of facilities
concessions (distance from seating)
concessions (quality of menu and facility)
scorebaord
game information (PA system, programs available)
game information (quality of announcements)
Fencing types

Playing surface;
quality of infield grass (flat)
quality of infield grass (thickness)
quality of infield skin (type of material)
quality of infield skin (flat and smooth)
entire infield, how does it take water during games
entire infield, how does it drain
grass lines - are they manicured and flant
home plate area - material
home plate area - is it flat or are their holes
home plate area - how does it react when wet during games
outfield quality of grass
outfield surface, is it flat
outfield drainage
warning track areas - how wide
warning track areas - enitre field or only in some places
warning track areas - how doe sit take water
mound - how high
mound - what slope
mound - type of material
mound - how does it act when it takes water during a game
overall field flat
irrigation on it
quality of tarp
other

This is a quick list of things to consider... I am sure I missed some things.  I think this would be interesting to find out.  We most likely would need to send a survey to coaches asking for the information on the playing surfaces... but we as spectators and fans could assess the complex's.

I am not sure I have time to go through your entire list but I will put it out there that, when evaluated overall, there isn't a college facility in NYS that compares to Freeman Field.

Obviously the views beyond the field are incredible and the views of the field are great.  The big bleacher on the rock face down the first base line is a great place to watch a ballgame and get a little sun.  There is also a great tradition of people that sit above the field on the road that seperates Butterfield Stadium and Freeman Field.

I have never played on the field so I cannot contradict Spree's opinion that it has a lip but I have scored a lot of games there and do not remember a single false hop.  The infield plays really true and is always in outstanding condition (which is obviously a challenge given the nature of spring in NYS).

The only real downsides to the complex are the location of the bathrooms and the location of the clubhouses.  Both are located at Butterfield Stadium which is adjacent to the field.  The only improvement would be a clubhouse connected to each dugout and bathrooms in the stadium.  Otherwise, I think that Freeman Field is pretty hard to beat.

[Bob Maxwell]

Cycle,

No, I am not the comment police... and I don't want to be the comment police.  I just think it is easier for all of us to support our opinions.

It is just that we all have valid points, that don't always come across the way we want to when posting on any sight.  As there isn't the give and take of face to face conversation.  In this mode of communication it is best to support what our opinions are with some of our thoughts on a subject.

Also, that is the second time you've made the "speak when spoken to" comment on here...  which actually supports my previous point of supporting your opinions.  This is an open public forum, and even if we do put a name on a post to direct that persons attention to it... it is still to everyone who uses this board.  the more support we can give to our opinions the better we are received, and constructive it is to what ever conversation is taking place.

So I was spoken too... as was everyone else.

[Bob Maxwell]

Chairman,

Thanks for the breakdown... I agree with what you've said about the facility.  It is a great place to watch a game.  And I like the idea that there is a "tradition" of the students doing something social around the event... that is a great part of college athletics.  Glad to see it is in place around baseball at Ithaca.  Would be nice if it was like that in more places.

I suspect that may be becasue the field is located near the dorms so that it is convenient for the students to be part of the event.

The point about not knowing the field is very good too... I suggested that we ask the coaches and some players to evalutate the playing surfaces.  We would have to have a hard document to do that with...

And that takes time that most of us don't have.  But it could be a long term project that I may look into undertaking in the future. 

Thanks for the Freeman Field review....

[JQV]

Cycle,

No, I am not the comment police... and I don't want to be the comment police.  I just think it is easier for all of us to support our opinions.

It is just that we all have valid points, that don't always come across the way we want to when posting on any sight.  As there isn't the give and take of face to face conversation.  In this mode of communication it is best to support what our opinions are with some of our thoughts on a subject.

Also, that is the second time you've made the "speak when spoken to" comment on here...  which actually supports my previous point of supporting your opinions.  This is an open public forum, and even if we do put a name on a post to direct that persons attention to it... it is still to everyone who uses this board.  the more support we can give to our opinions the better we are received, and constructive it is to what ever conversation is taking place.

So I was spoken too... as was everyone else.

Bob,

Keep fighting the good fight.  Don't let posters like that get to you.  We had a ton of them on the football board about two years ago but they have all gone quietly into that good night.  Turns out a person can only be snarky for so long before they actually have to come out and say something.

[hitforthecycle]

Yeah Bob, keep fighting the fight against mean posters like myself.  Now that is funny.  Sorry for hurting anyone's feelings.  Goodness will prevail over evil on the D-III baseball message board!  Bob, what's an address where we can send you a cape?

[bportalum99]

wow all i was doing is commenting on what a nice job Brockport has done with their field.  someone mentioned that Cortland should not have as hard a time fielding balls on the Brockport's infield because it is such a nice surface. I agree! i guess it turned into a personal attack on other people.  I was just trying state how nice brockport's playing surface is.  I was not getting personal with anyone.  Sorry if i offended anyone I guess!

[Bob Maxwell]

bport,

Your posting wasn't personal or attacking... it was just in the middle of the converstaion I was making a comment on.  Your right, the infield surface at Brockport is very good... and is maintained well.

Cycle,
this is the type of comment that is confusing to me.  You make a good point, and then you go and take something personal and fly off the handle about it.

This discussion is finished on this point, sorry I even tried to ask that we be constructive with supporting comments when giving our opinions. 


Lets talk about baseball now...
I understand that the Brockport at Oswego games will try to be continued today.
Anyone know if the Fredonia at Cortland second game will be played?

[John McGraw]

Cortland and Fredonia are scheduled to play at 4:00 PM.

[fieldofdreams]

Any scores on Brockport/Oswego games occurring today?

Last I heard, Cortland was up 4-0 on Fredonia.  Rockfeld is pitching for Cstate.

[John McGraw]

Lakers' amazing nine-run rally gives team comeback win over Brockport

The Oswego State baseball team scored nine runs in the bottom of the ninth inning to stun Brockport 11-10 on Monday afternoon at Laker Field.

The Golden Eagles led 10-2, but Oswego State scored nine runs in the bottom of the ninth inning to get the victory. The Laker rally started with three singles and two walks, followed by a two-run single from Tom Grace. An RBI double by K.C. Reardon then scored Nick Marzullo.

The rally continued until Dan Pecora scored the game-tying run on a wild pitch, which led to Laker senior Tom Farrell being intentionally walked to load the bases with two outs. Nick Marzullo singled to right field and Nick Perioli scored the game-winning run from third to complete the big rally.

Oswego State's Justin Storie earned the win in relief and Matt Biviano took the loss for the Golden Eagles.