D3 Championship Belt

[lmitzel]

In more recent times, North Central won again, boring finish no need to recap.

Final regular Belt^Tm season game at Wheaton Saturday.

Let's just say if you don't believe that The Belt^TM is in fact a living, breathing entity with supernatural powers... last night should make you a believer.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

The existential question to me is: F&M had already surrendered the Belt^TM when it was taken away from them by the forfeitures.  Can an alternate path exist if the Belt^TM was no longer in their possession when this happened?

Thank you very much for your research on this kiko.

Knowing that the forfeiture did not occur until several months after the game, I am of the opinion that fits exactly into the scenario in which Just Bill made his ruling.  (I quoted his post on the previous page).  If my interpretation is correct, The Belt^TM path is:
1995
Lebanon Valley
Widener
Moravian
Lebanon Valley
Franklin & Marshall
Muhlenberg
Franklin & Marshall
Trinity (CT)
UW-Platteville

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Did we just eliminate Goucher's only Belt time?  Dave's not going to be happy about that.

[lmitzel]

Did we just eliminate Goucher's only Belt time?  Dave's not going to be happy about that.

Yeah we did. Sorry Dave.

[Ralph Turner]

Lebanon Valley has good records on their website.  They have recorded that they beat Moravian on 1/28/1995.  Feels pretty likely that that was Moravian's next game and that they passed The Belt^TM to Lebanon Valley instead of back to Widener as was recorded.

I can confirm from perusing archives of the Morning Call that this was Moravian's next game.  1/28 (Lebanon Valley-Moravian) was a Saturday, and 1/30 (F&M-Lebanon Valley) was a Monday.

The existential question to me is: F&M had already surrendered the Belt^TM when it was taken away from them by the forfeitures.  Can an alternate path exist if the Belt^TM was no longer in their possession when this happened?

Did we just eliminate Goucher's only Belt time?  Dave's not going to be happy about that.

Yeah we did. Sorry Dave.

Or does this mean that F&M retroactively "vacated" holding The Belt^TM and it does not impact those teams who competed on the court for It^TM?  Goucher could still lay claim to holding It^TM during those games in Goucher's history.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Lebanon Valley has good records on their website.  They have recorded that they beat Moravian on 1/28/1995.  Feels pretty likely that that was Moravian's next game and that they passed The Belt^TM to Lebanon Valley instead of back to Widener as was recorded.

I can confirm from perusing archives of the Morning Call that this was Moravian's next game.  1/28 (Lebanon Valley-Moravian) was a Saturday, and 1/30 (F&M-Lebanon Valley) was a Monday.

The existential question to me is: F&M had already surrendered the Belt^TM when it was taken away from them by the forfeitures.  Can an alternate path exist if the Belt^TM was no longer in their possession when this happened?

Did we just eliminate Goucher's only Belt time?  Dave's not going to be happy about that.

Yeah we did. Sorry Dave.

Or does this mean that F&M retroactively "vacated" holding The Belt^TM and it does not impact those teams who competed on the court for It^TM?  Goucher could still lay claim to holding It^TM during those games in Goucher's history.

Actually Goucher's not holding The Belt^TM has nothing to do with the F&M scandal.  The path was found to be different when it was discovered that Moravian played and lost to Lebanon Valley before they lost to Widener.  The newly discovered Belt^TM path led away from Goucher and instead led into the F&M forfeit game.

[Ralph Turner]

Lebanon Valley has good records on their website.  They have recorded that they beat Moravian on 1/28/1995.  Feels pretty likely that that was Moravian's next game and that they passed The Belt^TM to Lebanon Valley instead of back to Widener as was recorded.

I can confirm from perusing archives of the Morning Call that this was Moravian's next game.  1/28 (Lebanon Valley-Moravian) was a Saturday, and 1/30 (F&M-Lebanon Valley) was a Monday.

The existential question to me is: F&M had already surrendered the Belt^TM when it was taken away from them by the forfeitures.  Can an alternate path exist if the Belt^TM was no longer in their possession when this happened?

Did we just eliminate Goucher's only Belt time?  Dave's not going to be happy about that.

Yeah we did. Sorry Dave.

Or does this mean that F&M retroactively "vacated" holding The Belt^TM and it does not impact those teams who competed on the court for It^TM?  Goucher could still lay claim to holding It^TM during those games in Goucher's history.

Actually Goucher's not holding The Belt^TM has nothing to do with the F&M scandal.  The path was found to be different when it was discovered that Moravian played and lost to Lebanon Valley before they lost to Widener.  The newly discovered Belt^TM path led away from Goucher and instead led into the F&M forfeit game.

Thanks for clarifying!  +1!

[lmitzel]

I'm a little surprised by this, but tonight was the first visit in the Modern Era by The Belt^TM to King Arena in Wheaton, but It's^TM not staying.

NCC 78, Wheaton 71

The Cardinals will carry The Belt^TM into the CCIW Tournament, Friday's challenger TBD.

[iwumichigander]

I'm a little surprised by this, but tonight was the first visit in the Modern Era by The Belt^TM to King Arena in Wheaton, but It's^TM not staying.

NCC 78, Wheaton 71

The Cardinals will carry The Belt^TM into the CCIW Tournament, Friday's challenger TBD.

So, dependent upon the outcome of the CCIW tournament The Belt could stay in the CCIW at least until NCAA tournament.

[Greek Tragedy]

Unless a team outside the CCIW wins the CCIW conference tournament. 

[sac]

Never say never!


...but yeah, the chances a CCIW wins the CCIW tournament are pretty high.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Can anybody tell me if Chowan was DIII in 2000-01? 

Wikipedia says that the USA South (then called Dixie Conference) accepted Chowan in 2000.  Not sure how much to trust Wikipedia.

USA South's website clearly shows 7 teams in 2000-01, with Chowan entering the following year.

Perhaps were they a D3 Independent that year?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Can anybody tell me if Chowan was DIII in 2000-01? 

Wikipedia says that the USA South (then called Dixie Conference) accepted Chowan in 2000.  Not sure how much to trust Wikipedia.

USA South's website clearly shows 7 teams in 2000-01, with Chowan entering the following year.

Perhaps were they a D3 Independent that year?

NCAA stats has them listed as a DIII school in the 2000-01 season.

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/statsPDFArchive/MBB2/B/Men's%20Basketball_Men's_Division%20III_2001_8875_Chowan%20University.pdf

[lmitzel]

Well, I get one more Belt^TM game for the year, and that'll be it.

Elmhurst 71, NCC 60

2019-20 #THREEEEEEEEE Belt^Tm path

3-9-19:  UW-Oshkosh
11-19-19: Carthage
12-7-19: Illinois Wesleyan
12-19-19: Washington U
12-31-19: Millikin
1-4-20: Illinois Wesleyan
1-8-20: North Central
1-29-20: Illinois Wesleyan
2-8-20: Augustana
2-12-20: North Central
2-28-20: Elmhurst

First time since 2014-15 the Blue Jays have taken possession. They will try to defend it against... Illinois Wesleyan tomorrow night.

[iwumichigander]

IWU will do our best to try and get it back.