BB: General New England Discussion

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American Baseball Coaches Association/Collegiate Baseball
NCAA Division III Baseball Poll
March 19, 2013
next poll: March 26

Rk     School                 Record Points Presn Rank

1. Salisbury (Md.) (4)     13-2   398        11
2. Trinity (Texas) (5)      19-4   390        10
3. Cortland  St. (3)        10-4   389          3
4. Linfield (Ore.) (2)       15-3   375         rv
5. Christ. Newpt (Va.)   18-6-1 357         6
6. Marietta (Ohio) (1)      7-3    331         5
7. Texas-Tyler                17-5   309        rv
8. George Fox (Ore.)      15-5   248        nr
9. Kean (N.J.)                 10-4   247         7
10. St. Thomas (Minn.)     5-3  241           2
11. Cal Lutheran          13-5-1 240          rv
12. Shenandoah (Va.)   11-3    238         27
13. St. Joseph's (Maine) 7-2    220         14
14. Heidelberg (Ohio)      10-3 187         nr
15. Wheaton (Mass.)       5-4   184         1
16. Western N E (Mass.)  5-2   175        22
17. Illinois Wesleyan        6-2   159         rv
18. Pomona-Pitzer (Calif.)15-5 152         rv
19. ECSU                          7-1   151        24
20. Huntingdon (Ala.)      14-5  134          nr
21. Millsaps (Miss.)          12-5  133          nr
22. Haverford (Pa.)          10-0  131          nr
23. Webster (Mo.)              7-5  124         9
24. Keystone (Pa.)           11-5  121         12
25. Centenary (La.)          15-5 118          nr
26. St. Scholastica (Minn.) 8-3   113        30
27. Manchester (Ind.)      9-2-1 112         rv
28. Wis.-Whitewater          3-2  105         18
29. Birmingham-So. (Ala.)  14-7   86          4
30. Texas Lutheran           17-6  80           nr

Also receiving votes: Johns Hopkins (Md.) 75, Rowan (N.J.) 67, Ramapo (N.J.) 58, La Verne (Calif). 56, Ithaca
(N.Y.) 53, Spalding (Ky.) 52, Wartburg (Iowa) 52, Rensselaer (N.Y.) 50, Concordia-Chicago 44, Augustana (Ill.)
41, Wis.-La Crosse 40, Trinity (Conn.) 38, Montclair (N.J.) State 29, Washington & Jefferson (Pa.) 27, Bridgewater
(Va.) 22, Misericordia (Pa.) 19, Washington University (Mo.) 11, Alvernia (Pa.) 10, Brockport (N.Y.) State 9, Wis.-
Stevens Point 3, Amherst (Mass.) 1.

[Stump]

St. Joes struggling to maintain early pace. Looks like they can't get timely hits to close out or catch up in many games. Pitching seems to have slipped a little also. May drop out of next top 25.

[kscer]

New England Rankings are getting wicked squirrelly. Southern Maine has got to be near the top of the heap. WNEU and Wheaton both have 6 losses, and SAt Joe's has had some bad losses. Amherst is hanging tough, but it seems wide open. USM  right now looks to me like a #1, but they seem to have problems with injuries as the season elongates.

[Stump]

New England Rankings are getting wicked squirrelly. Southern Maine has got to be near the top of the heap. WNEU and Wheaton both have 6 losses, and SAt Joe's has had some bad losses. Amherst is hanging tough, but it seems wide open. USM  right now looks to me like a #1, but they seem to have problems with injuries as the season elongates.

Have to agree, USM probably followed by Suffolk(though they have played the weakest part of their conference schedule). How does Trinity look? How about MIT?  UMBoston looking good in LEC but overall record not great.  Wouldn't have bet on Wheaton, WNEC and St. Joes not looking better than they have. (or ECSU for that matter).  Could be awhile before everything sorts out.

[kscer]

Suffolk probably has the best record but their schedule is weak. Hard to overlook with only three losses. MIT could be a sleeper.

[kscer]

Southern Maine is putting the hurt on St Joe's. Rafferty gave up 11 runs in 5 innings. St Joe's seems to be in a real collapse. USM seems to have the horses  I think I hat USM almost as much as I hate Eastern Connecticut., so this is painful to watch.

[Stump]

USM enters top 25 this week at 24, St. Joes drops out.  Wheaton still top NE team in top 25(dropping to 12). Others receiving votes: Suffolk, WNEC and St. Joes.  Suffolk way up in votes from previous week(I have to agree that schedule is not the strongest) WNEC and St. Joes way down in votes and ECSU drops off list completely.  I guess none of that is a real surprise based on recent results but St. Joes has to be concerned with the results since the return from Florida.

[wordsmith]

Holowaty OUT at EConn (or so it seems). 

http://www.ctnow.com/sports/hc-bill-holowaty-0424-20130423,0,4667787.story

[wildthngvaughn]

Does anyone else feel that this years ECAC is going to be loaded with potential 30-win teams that could still get into the NCAA's?

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Endicott (27-11 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) (assuming WNE wins CCC, if WNE loses, WNE will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Possible At-large bid. Best possible record with ECAC title but no conf. title would be 35-13 or 34-13

Salve Regina (26-10 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) Best possible record with a ECAC title but no conf. title would be 34-12 or 33-12

Johnson & Wales (27-14 w/ 0 to play) if they win 3 ECAC games, would be a 30 win team come NCAA time.

MIT (22-8 w/ 3 to play and 2nd half of conf. tour.) most likely not a 30 win team, but possible at-large bid for the NCAA if they win the ECAC's. (assuming Wheaton wins NEWMAC, if Wheaton loses, Wheaton will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Best possible record with ECAC title and no conf. title would be 30-10 or 29-10

Bridgewater St. (19-13-1) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. but have quality wins over Wheaton and WNE

Salem St. (21-13) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. only quality win is against Endicott

Babson, Mitchell, Husson, or Roger Williams (assuming that none of these teams win their conf. tour.) NESCAC and Little East don't participate as they are in their Conference Tournament)

[hockeyfan77]

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Suffolk could really help themselves out be beating USM on Sunday....

[wildthngvaughn]

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Suffolk could really help themselves out be beating USM on Sunday....

Suffolk also plays MIT next Monday.  If Suffolk wins 3 out of 4 against Williams (2), Southern Maine, and MIT, then their record will be 31-11.  However, they don't have many quality wins.  Their best two wins are against Easten (23-11-1) and St Joe's (28-11). They also have 3 losses against St. Joe's.

[Boggsy789]

Does anyone else feel that this years ECAC is going to be loaded with potential 30-win teams that could still get into the NCAA's?

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Endicott (27-11 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) (assuming WNE wins CCC, if WNE loses, WNE will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Possible At-large bid. Best possible record with ECAC title but no conf. title would be 35-13 or 34-13

Salve Regina (26-10 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) Best possible record with a ECAC title but no conf. title would be 34-12 or 33-12

Johnson & Wales (27-14 w/ 0 to play) if they win 3 ECAC games, would be a 30 win team come NCAA time.

MIT (22-8 w/ 3 to play and 2nd half of conf. tour.) most likely not a 30 win team, but possible at-large bid for the NCAA if they win the ECAC's. (assuming Wheaton wins NEWMAC, if Wheaton loses, Wheaton will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Best possible record with ECAC title and no conf. title would be 30-10 or 29-10

Bridgewater St. (19-13-1) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. but have quality wins over Wheaton and WNE

Salem St. (21-13) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. only quality win is against Endicott

Babson, Mitchell, Husson, or Roger Williams (assuming that none of these teams win their conf. tour.) NESCAC and Little East don't participate as they are in their Conference Tournament)

Some of these soft scheduled schools should be discounted, like Salve Regina, JWU and RWU.   JWU swept by the LEC (boston, dartmouth, ric)  Salve lost to Boston and Dartmouth and snuck one out vs. RIC. 

[wildthngvaughn]

Does anyone else feel that this years ECAC is going to be loaded with potential 30-win teams that could still get into the NCAA's?

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Endicott (27-11 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) (assuming WNE wins CCC, if WNE loses, WNE will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Possible At-large bid. Best possible record with ECAC title but no conf. title would be 35-13 or 34-13

Salve Regina (26-10 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) Best possible record with a ECAC title but no conf. title would be 34-12 or 33-12

Johnson & Wales (27-14 w/ 0 to play) if they win 3 ECAC games, would be a 30 win team come NCAA time.

MIT (22-8 w/ 3 to play and 2nd half of conf. tour.) most likely not a 30 win team, but possible at-large bid for the NCAA if they win the ECAC's. (assuming Wheaton wins NEWMAC, if Wheaton loses, Wheaton will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Best possible record with ECAC title and no conf. title would be 30-10 or 29-10

Bridgewater St. (19-13-1) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. but have quality wins over Wheaton and WNE

Salem St. (21-13) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. only quality win is against Endicott

Babson, Mitchell, Husson, or Roger Williams (assuming that none of these teams win their conf. tour.) NESCAC and Little East don't participate as they are in their Conference Tournament)

Some of these soft scheduled schools should be discounted, like Salve Regina, JWU and RWU.   JWU swept by the LEC (boston, dartmouth, ric)  Salve lost to Boston and Dartmouth and snuck one out vs. RIC.

Boggsy, any team that has 26+ wins no matter how easy their schedule, shouldn't be discounted when talking about the ECAC's.  Now if we are talking about the NCAA's that's a whole different thing.  The only way that Salve gets into the NCAA's is to win their tournament, or get to their tournament final with 3 wins against Endicott and WNE and then win the ECAC's with 3 wins against quality opponents (MIT, Suffolk, Endicott). That would give them a 35-12 record with 5 quality wins.  Granted that scenerio is next to impossible. 

Roger Williams on the other hand has absolutley no shot at the NCAA unless they win their tournament.  However, if they get to 25 wins, I could see them being one of a couple teams that could get the 7 or 8 seed in the ECAC's (if they have 8 teams and not 4).

You have to remember, nobody from the Little East or NESCAC participate in the ECAC's because they have their conference tournament at the same time.  So that eliminates a bunch of worthy participants.

[wildthngvaughn]

Does anyone else feel that this years ECAC is going to be loaded with potential 30-win teams that could still get into the NCAA's?

Suffolk (28-10 w/ 4 to play) Possible at-large bid. If they win out and win ECAC, they will be 35-10 or 34-10.

Endicott (27-11 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) (assuming WNE wins CCC, if WNE loses, WNE will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Possible At-large bid. Best possible record with ECAC title but no conf. title would be 35-13 or 34-13

Salve Regina (26-10 w/ 1 to play and conf. tour.) Best possible record with a ECAC title but no conf. title would be 34-12 or 33-12

Johnson & Wales (27-14 w/ 0 to play) if they win 3 ECAC games, would be a 30 win team come NCAA time.

MIT (22-8 w/ 3 to play and 2nd half of conf. tour.) most likely not a 30 win team, but possible at-large bid for the NCAA if they win the ECAC's. (assuming Wheaton wins NEWMAC, if Wheaton loses, Wheaton will probably not enter ECAC as they should already be a lock for the NCAA) Best possible record with ECAC title and no conf. title would be 30-10 or 29-10

Bridgewater St. (19-13-1) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. but have quality wins over Wheaton and WNE

Salem St. (21-13) Not NCAA bound unless they win their Conf. Tour. only quality win is against Endicott

Babson, Mitchell, Husson, or Roger Williams (assuming that none of these teams win their conf. tour.) NESCAC and Little East don't participate as they are in their Conference Tournament)

Some of these soft scheduled schools should be discounted, like Salve Regina, JWU and RWU.   JWU swept by the LEC (boston, dartmouth, ric)  Salve lost to Boston and Dartmouth and snuck one out vs. RIC.

Boggsy, any team that has 26+ wins no matter how easy their schedule, shouldn't be discounted when talking about the ECAC's.  Now if we are talking about the NCAA's that's a whole different thing.  The only way that Salve gets into the NCAA's is to win their tournament, or get to their tournament final with 3 wins against Endicott and WNE and then win the ECAC's with 3 wins against quality opponents (MIT, Suffolk, Endicott). That would give them a 35-12 record with 5 quality wins.  Granted that scenerio is next to impossible. 

Roger Williams on the other hand has absolutley no shot at the NCAA unless they win their tournament.  However, if they get to 25 wins, I could see them being one of a couple teams that could get the 7 or 8 seed in the ECAC's (if they have 8 teams and not 4).

You have to remember, nobody from the Little East or NESCAC participate in the ECAC's because they have their conference tournament at the same time.  So that eliminates a bunch of worthy participants.

34-12 is their best possible record for Salve without winning the conference tournament, not 35-12. But add a quality win over Eastern Connecticut @Eastern as I missed that one. Still next to impossible to do though.

[wildthngvaughn]

WNE goes down to Endicott in the CCC Championship.  Doesn't really change much as far as the NCAA's though. Here is my New England Regional as of right now.

1. Southern Maine
2. Wheaton
3. WNE
4.Endicott
5. St. Joseph's
6. Salem St.
7. Amherst
8. Daniel Webster

Eastern to NY. Possibly WNE to New York and Eastern would get the 4 seed with Endicott getting the 3.