BB: Midwest Region

[biggio34]

Midwest Region  (In-Region Record)   Overall Record
1. Wisconsin-Whitewater 22-3   27-4
2. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 20-4   21-5
3. St. Scholastica 22-2   29-3
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 18-7   22-9
5. Concordia Chicago 21-5   25-8
6. Edgewood 16-10   19-11

[biggio34]

Midwest Region  (In-Region Record)   Overall Record
1. Wisconsin-Whitewater 22-3   27-4
2. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 20-4   21-5
3. St. Scholastica 22-2   29-3
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 18-7   22-9
5. Concordia Chicago 21-5   25-8
6. Edgewood 16-10   19-11

Not too surprising here.  I am surprised to see CSS in the 3 spot ahead of Point though.  I'd be surprised if it stays that way for the tournament.

[OshDude]

Bummer that not all games from 4/27 appear to be included. I think the Edgewood loss to WLC drops EC's SOS enough for St. Olaf to sneak in.

[Just Bill]

Bummer that not all games from 4/27 appear to be included. I think the Edgewood loss to WLC drops EC's SOS enough for St. Olaf to sneak in.

Winning or losing to WLC doesn't matter for SOS purposes.  Simply playing them is all that matters, and that would lower their SOS.  The loss certainly hurts their regional win %, though.

EC's SOS will take another hit tomorrow when they play Maranatha Baptist.

[OshDude]

Bummer that not all games from 4/27 appear to be included. I think the Edgewood loss to WLC drops EC's SOS enough for St. Olaf to sneak in.

Winning or losing to WLC doesn't matter for SOS purposes.  Simply playing them is all that matters, and that would lower their SOS.  The loss certainly hurts their regional win %, though.

EC's SOS will take another hit tomorrow when they play Maranatha Baptist.

I thought that was implied. To lose to a team means you played that team. It's the SOS that would make the difference in that comparison because both teams have 17-11 in-region records.

[Just Bill]

My point was the losing to WLC didn't matter in SOS.  You could have very well said, "Edgewood's win over WLC drops EC's SOS" and that would be equally true.  I was just clarifying (because not everyone else on this site gets it) that the winning or losing aspect doesn't matter for SOS. (Unlike the awful old "Quality of Wins Index," god rest its soul.)

[OshDude]

My point was the losing to WLC didn't matter in SOS.  You could have very well said, "Edgewood's win over WLC drops EC's SOS" and that would be equally true.  I was just clarifying (because not everyone else on this site gets it) that the winning or losing aspect doesn't matter for SOS. (Unlike the awful old "Quality of Wins Index," god rest its soul.)

Good point. At least I used to be a writererer. Some days you just don't have it.
EDIT: I should have written "EC's loss and SOS hit vs. WLC ..."

[BASEBALLLOVER18]

I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation.  They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record.  With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.

[Ralph Turner]

I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation.  They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record.  With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.

Most of D-III expects BLC to be 12-0 against those four opponents when the season opens.

They did not make their case against CSS.  

If they finish 30-8 and win the Conference tourney, then I think that they have made their best case.  They will have likely handed CSS those 2 conference losses.

[CrashDavisD3]

I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation.  They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record.  With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.

There are several factors why they may not have been ranked at this time. I agree it is hard to believe a team that could end up with 30 wins could stay home...Hard to say it but at this time of year win or could be left out going to the dance. So many teams wonder what happen when they dont win their conference or conference tourney....Well win it and take it out of the hands of others to decide. Same for ranked teams continue winning or a single loss going forward could be the difference of staying home.

But I agree they should be ranked higher than Edgewood 16-10 in region record at this time

But here are things to look at....
Overall Record is not a primary factor !
SOS ranked 343
OWP .401
Loss to Augsburg that has a winning percentage of .400
Loss to UW-Oshkosh that has a winning percentage of .429
Not beating a ranked team...3 losses to CSS

Easy solution is to win out and it gives you a chance to make the regionals..Only 4 pool B teams this year.  Based on last SOS published they are 4th in Pool B in winning percentage so they are on the bubble so if teams in front of them lose in Pool B and in their region and they continue to win they will be ranked in future rankings

Selection Criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule(only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).•
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.

[Ralph Turner]

I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation.  They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record.  With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.

There are several factors why they may not have been ranked at this time. I agree it is hard to believe a team that could end up with 30 wins could stay home...Hard to say it but at this time of year win or could be left out going to the dance. So many teams wonder what happen when they dont win their conference or conference tourney....Well win it and take it out of the hands of others to decide. Same for ranked teams continue winning or a single loss going forward could be the difference of staying home.

But I agree they should be ranked higher than Edgewood 16-10 in region record at this time

But here are things to look at....
Overall Record is not a primary factor !
SOS ranked 343
OWP .401
Loss to Augsburg that has a winning percentage of .400
Loss to UW-Oshkosh that has a winning percentage of .429
Not beating a ranked team...3 losses to CSS

Easy solution is to win out and it gives you a chance to make the regionals..Only 4 pool B teams this year.  Based on last SOS published they are 4th in Pool B in winning percentage so they are on the bubble so if teams in front of them lose in Pool B and in their region and they continue to win they will be ranked in future rankings

Selection Criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule(only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).•
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.

+1, Crash! 

...all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order)

Great discussion of the process!   

[OshDude]

Interested in seeing how St. Thomas and St. Scholastica approach the weekend.
Saturday: UST plays Concordia for first place in the MIAC. CSS plays a DH against a Presentation team that put up a fight before falling 3-1 today. CSS was held to five hits.
Sunday: UST and CSS play with possible seeding ramifications at regionals on the line.

Also, congrats to CSS for setting a school record with its 24th consecutive win. And to think many of us were iffy on the Saints without Adian Kummet, Peter Burg and Jake Gaub.

[BaseballFan]

Interested in seeing how St. Thomas and St. Scholastica approach the weekend.
Saturday: UST plays Concordia for first place in the MIAC. CSS plays a DH against a Presentation team that put up a fight before falling 3-1 today. CSS was held to five hits.
Sunday: UST and CSS play with possible seeding ramifications at regionals on the line.

Also, congrats to CSS for setting a school record with its 24th consecutive win. And to think many of us were iffy on the Saints without Adian Kummet, Peter Burg and Jake Gaub.

Well Gerten pitched yesterday so count him out against Thomas. I think CSS will concentrate on the DH because a loss/win against Thomas wont put them ahead of St. thomas in the seeding, but may make a difference with seeding against Point and even at that a loss against Presentation hurts them worse than a win against thomas would help them.

Thomas has to make sure they take care of business against Concordia, it wouldnt look too pretty to get swept by Concordia to save their guns for CSS with only 4 MIAC games left for them

So I expect both thomas and CSS to throw their  4-6 guys

[pickleshiner]

Are Whitewater's lights up already?

[bluemoon]

Yes. The lights have been used a few times already.