MBB: Landmark Conference

SUhoops · March 02, 2009, 01:19:19 PM

Yep, I am new. Hi all.

Great season for the Crusaders, it is too bad their season came to a shorter end at the expense of Catholic playing 7 out of region games. 6 were wins, x2, =12 wins that were excluded from SUs OWP. plain and simple, that just sucks.
Why so many out of region games? does no good for your own team OR others.

TheGrove · March 02, 2009, 01:34:28 PM

Quote from: Matt Letourneau on March 02, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
No love for Susquehanna...but even more surprising to me, no love for St. Mary's over in the CAC either!

You're right, Matt! I was so bummed about Susquehanna, I didn't even notice St. Mary's got left out. They were, what, 22-5? or 22-6 after losing to Marymount (!!!).

ronk · March 02, 2009, 03:18:11 PM

SUhoops,
I suspect that Catholic chose to play tougher out-of region games to prepare their team without the consequence of losing them and count for an in-regional record.

ronk · March 02, 2009, 03:25:44 PM

Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Anyone have any info on Brandeis or the UAA?

Seems like a decent draw for Scranton....but I thought that last year too.

Nepa,
check out the UAA board under multi-regional; deiscanton gives you all you want to know as the season progresses; UAA considered at least a level stronger than the Landmark.

SUhoops · March 02, 2009, 03:26:48 PM

well, with 8 of their 9 losses coming IN REGION, then i guess that strategy didn't work out.
Say they won the landmark... i dont believe they would have even gotten into the tourney as a Pool B with a 11-8 regional record. 16-7 wasn't even good enough for SU against a maryville team that had a great, nearly flawless, in region record due to a downright awful strength of schedule....BUT i 'guess' the rest of the numbers fell their way according to the committee.

so, i guess im not buying the tough teams out of region theory because that could in no way have helped their cause. i guess it's just due to their location, out of region (say, virginia) is within very close proximity.

ronk · March 02, 2009, 03:34:19 PM

Yes, you do need to have a very good regional record to qualify as Pool B/C but out-of region games can be used to toughen your team bball-wise without costing you for selection.

NEPAFAN · March 02, 2009, 03:35:58 PM

Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Anyone have any info on Brandeis or the UAA?

Seems like a decent draw for Scranton....but I thought that last year too.

Nepa,
check out the UAA board under multi-regional; deiscanton gives you all you want to know as the season progresses; UAA considered at least a level stronger than the Landmark.

Thanks Ronk. Looks like they play a tough schedule, what is your take on Scranton's draw?

Pat Coleman · March 02, 2009, 04:08:44 PM

Quote from: SUhoops on March 02, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Yep, I am new. Hi all.

Great season for the Crusaders, it is too bad their season came to a shorter end at the expense of Catholic playing 7 out of region games. 6 were wins, x2, =12 wins that were excluded from SUs OWP. plain and simple, that just sucks.
Why so many out of region games? does no good for your own team OR others.

Seven games out of your OWP isn't going to make a huge deal. Your OWP is all of your 23 regional opponents' regional games, more than 400 games.

ronk · March 02, 2009, 04:12:40 PM

Nepa,
Probably as good a draw as could be hoped for; at least we're not playing Elms; that was a style we couldn't overcome. I'll be checking out Brandeis during the week and get back later on their chances.
Probably will go see the men Friday instead of the women since the women have a better chance of playing Saturday and the following weekend.

susiddad · March 02, 2009, 04:28:47 PM

Next year the yoth movement is rolling in Catholic!!!!Heard they have a huge freshman class and 4 new assts.

larry_u · March 02, 2009, 04:38:20 PM

Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0

susiddad · March 02, 2009, 05:14:10 PM

Is Banzhaf transferring?

Reserved Seat · March 02, 2009, 05:25:17 PM

Do you have any proof for this, or are you starting a rumor?
This would really shake up some Catholic followers.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · March 02, 2009, 05:50:47 PM

Susquehanna fans... I am sorry I haven't posted in here in awhile, though some of you asked for my opinion. It has been a VERY busy few days and I just didn't have time.

Early this week, I thought Susquehanna might have a good chance to get into the tourney even with a loss to Scranton, but I changed my mind as I looked more and more at the numbers. They would have ended up with one more regional loss than Maryville and their OWP and weaker than Maryville's (while their OOWP was slightly better). That is a 2-to-1 advantage for Maryville without looking at other determining factors. 7 regional losses is a lot to justify making the tournament.

The arguement that Maryville had a weaker schedule doesn't really hold water when you look at the fact their OWP was stronger than Susquehanna's (SOS: Maryville's 234, Susquehanna's 254). I just think it would have been tough to say to Susquehanna you are in over Maryville (though Susquehanna would have deserved it more than Chapman in my opinion - even if they did have four more regional losses).

Also, to blame CUA for playing out of region games hurting Susquehanna is a bit of a reach. How do you know CUA wouldn't played more regional games and lost them, hurting the OWP even more. It's not like CUA scheduled a bunch of pansies and beat up on them inflating their record but killing thier OWP - which would have hurt Susquehanna. One team's schedule didn't make a difference and saying it would have isn't being realistic to the situation Susquehanna was in in the first place.

Coach Marcinek said on Hoopsville Thursday night, they needed to win the Landmark to get in. He told his team that; he told us that. He has been around for a long time and served on committees as well. If Coach Marcinek thinks the team isn't making the tournament with a loss against Scranton, why would the fans think otherwise. He knows what he is talking about and his comments certainly made me sway my opinion.

Finally, remember one very important thing: Susquehanna was ONLY in the conversation because they had a chance at a Pool B bid. If this was an AQ year for the Landmark, Susquehanna wouldn't have been part of the Pool C conversation. They didn't have the resume to be in the tournament and the only reason they were part of the chat this season was because of a rather weak Pool B group (besides Elms and maybe Scranton).

Next year is an AQ year for the Landmark. That is good and bad. It is good because everyone knows they are in the tournament if they win the AQ. It is bad because this conference isn't good enough right now to deserve multiple bids (no, CUA probably wouldn't have gotten in had they won the conference this season - though I think there would have been a strong arguement all the same). I think this is a rather competitive league from top to bottom, but it is not a league that should get two-bids from what I have been seeing so far. Time will tell!

TheGrove · March 02, 2009, 06:03:30 PM

Thanks, D-mac (D-lightfulDMac? Dvoice? Did you ever D-cide on a nick?

)

Count me as at least one Susquehanna fan not blaming others for not getting in the tourney. I mean, I was still hoping this morning, but in my heart of hearts I knew Coach was right. We had to win to get in.

I would have loved to see what this crew could have done in the tourney, especially after Saturday night's game, but that's the nature of Pool B, heck of the whole tournament. I've loved watching this bunch and now that it's sinking in that it's really over, I think I'm sadder than I ever have been at the end of a SU season. I shouldn't be sad, because it's been a great season; I'm just sad that I don't get to watch them play anymore, especially the seniors.

Ugh, wow, I just got kinda depressed...